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Re: 2-Speed vs 1-Speed drivetrain

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The correct answer is "nothing, really", but the real answer is that it is because of the way people like to gear single speed drivetrains. In my mind, having a low traction limited gear "lets" you gear your top gear really fast, like 16+ fps. If you're doing a single speed drivetrain, you're likely going to gear less aggressively, as you likely don't want to be stuck playing defense with a robot geared at 19 fps. Some teams like to gear their single speeds in the 12 fps range, which do accelerate faster than the 18+ fps two speed teams.

Of course, a lot of it depends on how you like your drivetrains, here on the West Coast most good teams just gear in the 16+ fps range no matter if they're single speed or shifter. And a lot of butterflyesque drives (33, 2K14 drive in a day for example) are geared in the 18 fps range so they can do the reduction to their wheels in only one ratio.
33 is geared 12:72 - about 14fps real.

When you people talk about drivetrain speeds would you all mind mentioning if you are talking theoretical or after efficiency losses(and at what efficiency)? IE: In my experience a robot's geared for 16fps theoretical is around 14.5fps real.

In general, I don't understand gearing above 15fps real with a full weight robot. The optimal time to distance numbers get over a half field away and the robot gets slower overall. Of course, if the robot is lighter than 120lbs teams can get away with a higher gearing while maintaining a similar acceleration. This is the real trick to getting around the field faster.

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Re: 2-Speed vs 1-Speed drivetrain

They don't.

Assuming they're under identical conditions acceleration rate is dictated by gear ratio. Lower gear ratio = faster acceleration, higher gear ratio = slower acceleration. A single speed drivetrain does accelerate faster, a lower gearing does.
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