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Re: unique strategies that worked....... or didn't

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I love battlecry and I agree with you completely. I was just cautioning against making a rush judgement in a "strategy" thread about heavy defense or isolating a ball as intentional/strategic. Read carefully (not your post) and I think you'll see what I'm talking about


There was a robot or team I remember from earlier this season called secret sauce or got sauce or something about sauces (I know I'm making a bit of a fool of myself here but I wanted to remind people about that robot). They posted videos of the full court assists way back in the early weeks and I was amazed at how accurate they could be. I am pretty sure they inbounded and just hucked the ball to their other human player across the truss across the field.
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Re: unique strategies that worked....... or didn't

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There was a robot or team I remember from earlier this season called secret sauce or got sauce or something about sauces (I know I'm making a bit of a fool of myself here but I wanted to remind people about that robot). They posted videos of the full court assists way back in the early weeks and I was amazed at how accurate they could be. I am pretty sure they inbounded and just hucked the ball to their other human player across the truss across the field
The team was 900 The Zebracorns. They did full court assisting better than anybody.
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The team was 900 The Zebracorns. They did full court assisting better than anybody.
I don't know if it was better than anybody. 203 + 25 would give them a run for their money. (Ignoring, of course, consistency.)
Bit of MAR pride here, look at the last cycle for the blue alliance:

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014mrcmp_qm47

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Our team had a last minute design so we didn't get to do much refining to make it better, but our strategy seemed to do pretty well for the resources and experience we had. We made a robot that is just under 5', and made it open up the full 20 inches on both side and had a sloped net in it. Needless to say it was great to develop strategies with because we could catch easily providing the 3rd assist, and we could block just about any shooter there was just by being in front of them. While catching wouldn't have been the best strategy on einstien for sure, it was still very useful at our regional and we got picked 8th because of it. It was somewhat surprising how in all of our matches we had pretty much the same strategy and that was a 60 point cycle or us playing defense and alliance members scoring. I can only imagine how much better it would've been if our robot did reboot every 20 seconds!

In all reality though, our robot's design coupled with an outstanding 6 CIM drivetrain could've really been a great defender. We were able to really get inside our opponents heads some matches because we wouldn't let them score any missed auto balls and that would throw of their game.

A strategy I really wish we could've used was in the Arkansas elims, we were on the 8th seed alliance and were going against 16, 3937, and 4500. 4500 was not working right, but 16 and 3937 were still a great offensive power. Our alliance chose to try to out score them by running 60 point cycles. What I wish we had done was spend the first 45 seconds of the match making it extremely difficult for the other alliance to score, getting in their heads and making them get frustrated by playing hard defense, then trying to score as much as possible while still slowing down their alliance. Our robot rebooted early in the match, but towards the end we were able to play a little defense on bomb squad and block a last minute truss.

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I don't know if it was better than anybody. 203 + 25 would give them a run for their money. (Ignoring, of course, consistency.)
Bit of MAR pride here, look at the last cycle for the blue alliance:

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014mrcmp_qm47
I'll second this. 203 was a really fun robot to play with at MAR Champs. We ran a similar strategy with them in Quals Match 8 (without catching) and it worked very well. 900 may have a little bit of an edge though because they can make it over to the human player, so they don't need to rely on niche catchers or even just robots that can catch well to not have to sacrifice time and ball control by just launching downfield
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900 may have a little bit of an edge though because they can make it over to the human player, so they don't need to rely on niche catchers or even just robots that can catch well to not have to sacrifice time and ball control by just launching downfield
900 also is taller. Their height and shot trajectory is such that they cannot be blocked.
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There was a robot or team I remember from earlier this season called secret sauce or got sauce or something about sauces (I know I'm making a bit of a fool of myself here but I wanted to remind people about that robot). They posted videos of the full court assists way back in the early weeks and I was amazed at how accurate they could be. I am pretty sure they inbounded and just hucked the ball to their other human player across the truss across the field.
That was us. The Secret sauce strategy won us the NC regional and got us the creativity award at Archimedes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjSUAmLFnwY

We even added automatic vision targeting for championships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2OmzrAhPI

We on team 900 love our sauce .. our competition robot was named Hot Sauce and our practice robot was called Not Sauce.
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That was us. The Secret sauce strategy won us the NC regional and got us the creativity award at Archimedes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjSUAmLFnwY

We even added automatic vision targeting for championships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2OmzrAhPI

We on team 900 love our sauce .. our competition robot was named Hot Sauce and our practice robot was called Not Sauce.
Wow. I didn't know if I was making things up but I remembered both hot sauce and secret sauce and I'm glad it was right congrats on a great season! Lots of ppl can learn from that strategy for remaining offseason events
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I heard that isolating your opponents ball works great too.
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Defense... See attached. That's the result of that defense on a cable that is buried deep inside our robot. Imagine that, breaking your opponents via burying a claw deep inside their bot is a winning strategy
And yes. This was unpenalized as well...after we were penalized for a similar foul in the same match. I'm still shocked the sidecar and the printer cable were able to be replaced in less than 10 minutes.

Its safe to say one alliance was allowed to play defense, and the other wasn't.
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