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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

I know this thread is ancient............... BUT, I'd like to get some current opinions on this matter. I, for one, am often annoyed by how rudely some students in my team behave when mentors aren't around. From throwing balls in the shop to yelling profanities at others. Of course the way I was raised is a bit different (at least culturally) from most other kids. I've found that disrespect is too often considered "part of growing up", without kids understanding the concept of repercussions of actions. To be fair, no one in my team did anything in our hotel rooms, due to how tired we all were.

How do other teams feel about this? Do FIRST kids still act like any other, or have you noticed they seem to be mature now?
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

Kids behave like kids when adults are not around. Yes, some kids are better, but not many.

We do make it very clear every season what our expectations for behavior are, and I like to think this does affect them positively. Basically "no horseplay" and "be inclusive" (which means no bullying or shunning or cliques) are big ones.

While traveling we have even higher standards, especially on how they behave in the hotel, since other guests are trying to rest. (This is a sore point for me, since I travel a lot and am frequently one of those "other guests").

So, I think if we didn't make it real clear, we'd see typical kid behavior. Even then, we sometimes do.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

I've got a good story regarding this.

A couple of years ago our team was staying at a fairly fancy hotel that we have stayed at for a number of years. I recognized the concierge as having been there for the years that I had attended. I ended up in the elevator with him, a student from another team with orange spiked hair and a girl from FBLA who was attending a conference that was being held in the hotel at the same time. Both of the girls got off of the elevator at lower floors so I asked him if he dreaded the time that robots came to town. His answer surprised me a bit, he said no they are always well behaved, the groups that I dread are the church groups because those kids are always out of control and often inadequately supervised.

So yeah FIRST kids behave better on average.
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Re: Do FIRST kids behave better?

At least at hotels, I don't think it's the fact that we're FIRST kids. I think it's that we're at competition.
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On an exchange trip to France (unrelated to robotics, except that I went and that the teacher in charge, our main mentor's wife, mentors when she can), we spent a few days in Paris. When we checked out, the concierge told our teacher that the group had been extremely well-behaved.
In French, she responded with something to the effect of, "Of course! It's like having dogs- you have to run them all day until they're so tired that when they get back to the hotel at night, they have no choice but to collapse into bed."
<end story>
That's pretty much exactly what happens to our team at competition- it's the culmination of all the work we've put into the team that year, and everyone there does as much as they can to help our team succeed. Waking up early to get into the stands; coming back late from fixing the robot; by the time we get back to the hotel after competition, we're exhausted.
And anecdotally, as a former team captain, the first night's room check is usually the most annoying if the team got in the night before competition starts.

Outside of that? I've seen the team behave themselves, and I've seen the team be rude. I suppose it can easily change based on what setting your selective memory is on, and I don't keep records of mine.
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