NY Tech Valley Robot Rumble - October 4

[Herbblood]

Currently we have these teams signed up:
Team 20
The Rocketeers
Clifton Park, New York

Team 145
TRx
Norwich, NY

Team 190
Gompei and the HERD
Worcester , MA

Team 250
Dynamos
Colonie, NY

Team 839
Rosie Robotics
Agawam, MA

Team 1493
Falcons
Albany, New York

Team 1511
Rolling Thunder
Penfield, NY

Team 2370
iBots
Rutland, VT

Team 2791
Shaker Robotics
Latham, NY

Team 2809
K-Botics
Kingston, Ontario

Team 3044
OxBE4
Ballston Spa, NY

Team 4134
RoboRams
Amsterdam, NY

Team 4203
Robokronos
Otsego County, New York

Team 4508
Schuylerville Robotics
Schuylerville, NY

Team 5236
Man O' War Robotics
Cambridge , NY

There still is space to register!
We also are hosting a Food drive for Regional Food Bank of Northeastern New York. Donate from non-perishables ie. peanut butter, soup, canned vegetables to non food items such as paper towels. For more information go to http://www.techvalleyfirst.org/robot...?page=foodbank

[Sami07]

Good luck to all of the teams participating in the first Tech Valley Robot Rumble, it's going to be an amazing event

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Sami07

Good luck to all of the teams participating in the first Tech Valley Robot Rumble, it's going to be an amazing event

I can't wait! I'll be taking the 4 hour trek back from RIT Friday night for this thing. Should be a blast.

[Chris is me]

With 14 teams present, is there any chance we could do 2v2 in qualifications, with 2 assists = 20 points? It would be MUCH less stressful on the teams involved in terms of match turnaround and probably just easier all around. For elims we could go back to 3v3...

I'm also curious if the random first pick rules will stay, seeing as that would currently make the entirety of eliminations completely random.

[g_sawchuk]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

With 14 teams present, is there any chance we could do 2v2 in qualifications, with 2 assists = 20 points? It would be MUCH less stressful on the teams involved in terms of match turnaround and probably just easier all around. For elims we could go back to 3v3...

I'm also curious if the random first pick rules will stay, seeing as that would currently make the entirety of eliminations completely random.

That would probably be good. Although we couldn't do 8 alliances as only 14 teams are currently registered. I was thinking that they may do 4 alliances. 12 teams get picked. Normal rules can still apply.

[Mark McLeod]

FMS doesn't support 2v2 matches, but 4 alliance elims are supported.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

FMS doesn't support 2v2 matches, but 4 alliance elims are supported.

There is some way around this, events have been doing 2v2 for years.

[Mark McLeod]

You can run matches any way you want if you bypass the FMS matchmaking and scorekeeping by running every match as a practice match.

That puts a big burden on someone to devise a randomized 2v2 match schedule and someone to create a spreadsheet and manually enter/display the scores/rankings each match. The scorekeeper then enters teams for each match by hand.
It's a slower more work intensive process, but it can be done. It isn't very worth it.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

FMS doesn't support 2v2 matches, but 4 alliance elims are supported.

Couldn't matches just always have two no show "teams"? You would need to make a schedule through some other software (whatever Vex uses) but otherwise I think it could work. I wouldn't even mind if one assist stayed 10 points. I just don't think our robot could play back to back matches all day.

I got the idea for 2v2 quals from HERE, an offseason one of our mentors attended in NJ this year. I wonder how they did it?

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Couldn't matches just always have two no show "teams"? You would need to make a schedule through some other software (whatever Vex uses) but otherwise I think it could work. I wouldn't even mind if one assist stayed 10 points. I just don't think our robot could play back to back matches all day.

I got the idea for 2v2 quals from HERE, an offseason one of our mentors attended in NJ this year. I wonder how they did it?

IROC has also done it multiple times as well as the Robot Rumble in Richmond when it was still being held.

[Mark McLeod]

Using the old FMS Lite that's pretty much how every match is run, so that makes sense.
Using the new FMS Lite and the real FMS it's more of a pain and bypasses all the good stuff it does automatically for you.

Couldn't matches just always have two no show "teams"?

You really can't devise a random schedule where every match is guaranteed to have exactly two dummy teams.


P.S.
Even with 2v2, your matches are still going to be very close together with so few teams competing.
If the event has the time, then matches can be spaced out a bit more to relieve the stress on teams.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

You really can't devise a random schedule where every match is guaranteed to have exactly two dummy teams.

I'm attempting to say you could generate a 2v2 schedule elsewhere and manually enter it with 2 dummy teams each match into the FMS. I thought the FMS could get schedules from an external source / file.

[notmattlythgoe]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm attempting to say you could generate a 2v2 schedule elsewhere and manually enter it with 2 dummy teams each match into the FMS. I thought the FMS could get schedules from an external source / file.

I believe this is the case, and it isn't difficult.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm attempting to say you could generate a 2v2 schedule elsewhere and manually enter it with 2 dummy teams each match into the FMS. I thought the FMS could get schedules from an external source / file.

That might work. The dummy teams will be ranked, but teams could just overlook them.
Such a change would require a decision and proper preparation ahead of time. Just don't allow your imaginations to run away with you.
The system is optimized for regulation play, not anything goes.

[Kevin Leonard]

With 15 teams, and possibly a few practice robots being played, I figured we could have 6 alliances of 3 teams in eliminations, assuming we have three teams who bring practice robots. Otherwise, with 15 teams, we could do 5 alliances of 3 teams in eliminations.

2v2 Quals sounds awesome, and I'd love to see Aerial Assist play out with 2v2 matches.

I know for a fact 20 has a practice bot, so might 2791, 3044, and 1493. I don't know whether any of these teams have the ability to field a second drive team when many of them are likely to be helping to run the event with volunteers, and I don't know what condition these robots are in.

Whether these robots are competing should be figured out ASAP, and communicated to the people running the event.