[FRC Blog] - NASA Grants and Something New for 2015

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe

I'm more talking about match play. These fields get crowded with 6 robots playing on them, add in another 2 robots and you end up with clusters or robots not able to move because there isn't enough room. Not much fun to watch or compete in.

Yeah. Keeping logistics in mind, I assume this means something like different playing surface or bumper rules or robot size or something.

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by Steven Donow

Yeah. Keeping logistics in mind, I assume this means something like different playing surface or bumper rules or robot size or something.

Oh god. No. Please no. Not again.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Libby K

Oh god. No. Please no. Not again.

I didn't realize Maize Craze scarred baby Libby so horribly.

[The_ShamWOW88]

Field changes could mean that we may see something sort of field element we have to climb over or drive over, etc. Something like 2003 with the ramp, 2004 with the steps, 2012 with the balancing ramps....

[Jay O'Donnell]

Does anyone else find it odd that this was posted seemingly out of the blue with no real significance to it? We didn't really learn anything and this sort of came out of nowhere. I'm wondering why they would even say this. Hopefully when January 3rd hits we'll understand!

[Anthony Galea]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

Does anyone else find it odd that this was posted seemingly out of the blue with no real significance to it? We didn't really learn anything and this sort of came out of nowhere. I'm wondering why they would even say this. Hopefully when January 3rd hits we'll understand!

The GDC is just bored, with being finished with the game, so they want some entertainment of reading this thread.

[The_ShamWOW88]

Originally Posted by 3175student17

The GDC is just bored, with being finished with the game, so they want some entertainment of reading this thread.

Yeah, now they get to sit back, eat their popcorn and watch the rumors run rampant....

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by The_ShamWOW88

Yeah, now they get to sit back, eat their popcorn and watch the rumors run rampant....

Unlike the LRI, Head Ref, and FTA, the GDC actually has time to eat popcorn!

[FrankJ]

Maybe the game will be checkers or chess. We have not had an air game in a while.

[mrnoble]

The GDC has to fulfill the requirements of the Triad: spectator friendly, rookies can succeed, successful veteran teams are challenged. They also have costs, investments and physical constraints to consider. Therefore:

1. It won't be a water game. Or an ice game, or any other field that requires crazy capital to create or maintain, or which could damage a rookie robot.
2. The field really can't grow or change shape too radically. The AndyMark field and space constraints dictate this.
3. The motors won't change, though they may cut back on the power (number of motors).
4. Robots won't grow. They could shrink, though; especially considering the shrinking electronic footprints. They will never shrink back to 1992 size, though, as FTC has that form factor well in hand.

I'll predict a few things.

• Slightly smaller form factor.
• Bumper cloth, or even whole bumpers, in the KOP. If there are required bumpers, it would dictate a specific footprint, and be the end of a major headache for most teams (those struggling to build bumpers, and those who have suffered on the field from non-regulation robots colliding with them or leaving debris on the field)
• vertically larger bumpers (i.e., three pool noodles tall).
• A manipulator task, rather than a projectile. Minimal game pieces, though, so probably not stacking.
• A change to the field surface; Astroturf? Polycarbonate? Probably ramps or steps.

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

1. The motors won't change, though they may cut back on the power (number of motors).

I wouldn't be so sure of this. We've seen plenty of motors change over the years. Just in the past 8 years since my team started, we've seen FP, Globe, van door and the big CIM motors disappear, while new motors have come in, like the AndyMark, BAG, mini-cim, vex and ARA motors. Those are all just off the top of my head, probably not a complete list.

[mrnoble]

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis

I wouldn't be so sure of this. We've seen plenty of motors change over the years. Just in the past 8 years since my team started, we've seen FP, Globe, van door and the big CIM motors disappear, while new motors have come in, like the AndyMark, BAG, mini-cim, vex and ARA motors. Those are all just off the top of my head, probably not a complete list.

What I meant was, we won't see the CIMs disappear. There's too deep of an investment in them for there to be a major shift away from them. Imagine teams being told that all their CIMs were illegal, and the new motors were XX, available from YY. How would that play out?

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

What I meant was, we won't see the CIMs disappear. There's too deep of an investment in them for there to be a major shift away from them. Imagine teams being told that all their CIMs were illegal, and the new motors were XX, available from YY. How would that play out?

I'd hope the 2.5" CIM motors would not go away barring a major size change. They are motors that you can abuse all day long and won't smoke. Honestly, it's the single biggest contributor to having most every robot driving most matches. CIMs are NEAR indestructible and I <3 them for it.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

What I meant was, we won't see the CIMs disappear. There's too deep of an investment in them for there to be a major shift away from them. Imagine teams being told that all their CIMs were illegal, and the new motors were XX, available from YY. How would that play out?

Exactly how our new motor controllers are gonna play out.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

Disagree. There's a fundamental difference between disallowing a type of part (no CIMs!) and adding a more advanced option. The talons, Jags, and Victors from past years will continue to function adequately for many teams.

We as a community will adapt if we needed to, plus they would not take away the work horse of FRC drive trains and not give us something at least similar in terms of durability and power