pic: FRC558's modified VEXpro Drive in a Day

[JesseK]

The videos of the finals show how positional based defense actually works. Watch 2537. A couple of incidental hits while jockeying for position, some hits to turn 225 out of position, but very rarely a back-off-and-hit-again maneuver. It's why we picked them over you.

Eli I'm not aggravated at the defense 4464 played relative to other defense played in 2014. I'm irritated that you think it's appropriate and fun for all involved. There were 4 major hits that broke something non-trivial on other robots caused by 4464, not including damage 4464 did to itself that 1885 helped fix during quals on Friday (though I'm admittedly going off of 2nd-hand info from your driver there). I'm irritated that even when damage from 2 of the hits were pretty obvious to anyone with eyes on the match due to disabled robots, you claim the damage was superficial. I know of 4 because they're a few of the ones that 1885 helped fix during Quals.

[Oblarg]

Originally Posted by JesseK

There were 4 major hits that broke something non-trivial on other robots caused by 4464

Probably best to take it to PM at this point, but I'd like to know what these were.

not including damage 4464 did to itself that 1885 helped fix during quals on Friday (though I'm admittedly going off of 2nd-hand info from your driver there).

This was damage to our roller arm incurred while playing offense, not defense, and was the result of another robot impacting us while we were lowering our roller arm in pursuit of the ball. 1885 was extremely helpful in fixing it, though, and I am grateful for it.

I'm irritated that even when damage from 2 of the hits were pretty obvious to anyone with eyes on the match due to disabled robots, you claim the damage was superficial.

I certainly have eyes, and I try my best to be aware of any robots that become disabled in matches we play in so that I can offer help. I was not aware of any significant damage we caused at DC.

Aside from this, I wish you'd be a bit less hostile. No one here wants to see damaged robots, including myself. I find it upsetting that you'd call a post specifically about avoiding hefty impacts with 6-CIM drives "glorifying linebacker-style hits" and "ignorant." I care as much as you do about this game being fun and fair for everyone involved, and I even admitted in my post that I would not be surprised or upset if the motor budget were reduced. Please don't treat me as a strawman for your frustrations about the nature of the game this year.

[jwfoss]

Originally Posted by Oblarg

Probably best to take it to PM at this point, but I'd like to know what these were.

It would have been best 8+ posts ago.
Please keep the comments value added to the thread, this was meant to be a discussion about COTS and drivetrain development.

[Oblarg]

Originally Posted by jwfoss

It would have been best 8+ posts ago.
Please keep the comments value added to the thread, this was meant to be a discussion about COTS and drivetrain development.

Fair enough, that did get out of hand. I'll ask a mod to remove my posts to clean up the thread, since the discussion is now in PM.