How do divisions work at champs?

[alephzer0]

Oh ok so it IS random... thanks
I wasn't sure and I was really curious. Excuse my noobishness

[MrForbes]

It's magic. I don't know how it works, I doubt many people do (besides the folks at FIRST who make it happen), and I've never seen a reasonable explanation.

Very good question, but I doubt you'll get a good answer.

[tickspe15]

Frank made a blog post earlier this year explaining how they assign teams to divisions. Im sure it will change next year though.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...atch-Schedules

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by tickspe15

Frank made a blog post earlier this year explaining how they assign teams to divisions. Im sure it will change next year though.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...atch-Schedules

I doubt it will change much as it makes perfect sense. Distribute the rookies evenly, distribute the veterans evenly. The only tweak they'd need is to change it from counting from 1 to 4 to counting from 1 to 8, or however many divisions there are in 2015.

It's pretty hard, probably impossible, to hack that system to guarantee you end up in any particular division.

[Boe]

Originally Posted by tickspe15

Frank made a blog post earlier this year explaining how they assign teams to divisions. Im sure it will change next year though.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...atch-Schedules

Anyone watch the order of teams who have already registered carefully enough to work out who's in which division if we have 6 or 8 divisions.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Boe

if we have 6 or 8 divisions.

I believe Frank did say somewhere that they were looking into having between 6 and 8 divisions...I'm still hoping for 7.

[Anthony Galea]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I believe Frank did say somewhere that they were looking into having between 6 and 8 divisions...I'm still hoping for 7.

I'm still confused how 6 would work for Einstein... Do you seed one division over the others, do you round robin between all then an NFL style elims? It just seems so confusing

[EricH]

Originally Posted by 3175student17

I'm still confused how 6 would work for Einstein... Do you seed one division over the others, do you round robin between all then an NFL style elims? It just seems so confusing

We'll find out. FIRST has done some odd brackets before...Might run double-elimination round-robin. Lose two, you're out. Last two standing play best two out of three.


That said, I'd suspect 8 divisions of about 75 teams each would be the better way to handle this. Works better on Einstein.

[Jared]

Originally Posted by EricH

We'll find out. FIRST has done some odd brackets before...Might run double-elimination round-robin. Lose two, you're out. Last two standing play best two out of three.


That said, I'd suspect 8 divisions of about 75 teams each would be the better way to handle this. Works better on Einstein.

I'd really like to see this. Especially if they have two Einstein fields and they play back to back matches (one resets while the other plays). Otherwise, a double length Einstein might be too much.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by EricH

We'll find out. FIRST has done some odd brackets before...Might run double-elimination round-robin. Lose two, you're out. Last two standing play best two out of three.


That said, I'd suspect 8 divisions of about 75 teams each would be the better way to handle this. Works better on Einstein.

I agree. Double elimination would be very interesting...would probably let us see more unique matchups.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by EricH

That said, I'd suspect 8 divisions of about 75 teams each would be the better way to handle this. Works better on Einstein.

Frank Said in his blog that 8 divisions would likely be too many just by the sheer size 4 additional fields would take up. Even with FTC gone it doesn't save that much room.

[RonnieS]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

Frank Said in his blog that 8 divisions would likely be too many just by the sheer size 4 additional fields would take up. Even with FTC gone it doesn't save that much room.

First has but fields in the pits before...I wouldn't throw away this idea. It is very possible they will have 1-2 competition fields in the pit area.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Ronnie314

First has but fields in the pits before...I wouldn't throw away this idea. It is very possible they will have 1-2 competition fields in the pit area.

And it was awful. Just awful.

[Nathan Streeter]

Originally Posted by Ronnie314

First has but fields in the pits before...I wouldn't throw away this idea. It is very possible they will have 1-2 competition fields in the pit area.

On the crowd, seating, and scouting perspectives, it was really quite awful. It did at least make it very easy for the drive team, robot, pit crew, scouts, and others to get back and forth between the field and the pits! ;-)

I think the bigger slap in the face that annoyed me about the two pit fields in 2011 was the dishonesty from FIRST about it. At the time FIRST was extremely closed about decisions... It was the first year that CMP was in St. Louis and FIRST insisted that the pit fields were necessary because the fields wouldn't all fit in the Edward Jones Dome, not because they had 30-40% of the dome closed off every day for the Black Eyed Peas concert on Friday night. Let's just say that many of us saw through it...

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

On the crowd, seating, and scouting perspectives, it was really quite awful. It did at least make it very easy for the drive team, robot, pit crew, scouts, and others to get back and forth between the field and the pits! ;-)

I think the bigger slap in the face that annoyed me about the two pit fields in 2011 was the dishonesty from FIRST about it. At the time FIRST was extremely closed about decisions... It was the first year that CMP was in St. Louis and FIRST insisted that the pit fields were necessary because the fields wouldn't all fit in the Edward Jones Dome, not because they had 30-40% of the dome closed off every day for the Black Eyed Peas concert on Friday night. Let's just say that many of us saw through it...

The concept of pit fields at CMP pre-dated the concept of the concert. The pit fields weren't there because of that.