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Re: Strongest regional competitions

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AP Poll Preseason top 5 teams:
Florida State
Alabama
Oregon
Oklahoma
Ohio State

AP Poll Week 16 top 5 teams:
Alabama
Florida State
Oregon
Baylor
Ohio State

So the AP Poll went from Oklahoma being #4 to unranked, but other than that, the preseason polls seemed to do a pretty decent job. Four of the preseason top five were still in the top five at the end.
Don't look just at the top 5, look at the top 25. Also, does anyone else remember the fiasco that was Texas A&M beating South Carolina and rocketing up to top 5? That's what I mean by how these rankings are unnecessary.


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So sure, you can't account for every factor (like student, mentor and sponsor loss), but preseason predictions can still do a fairly decent job. Good teams tend to be good from year to year. What are the chances that every team at a regional will be worse than the year before? Pretty slim. Some teams will get worse, but others will get better.
I agree with this. Part of what we do in Fantasy FIRST is try to predict who will do well on the field and with chairmans. Sometimes unpredictable things can happen, but for the most part things in FRC are pretty stable.
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Re: Strongest regional competitions

The hardest/strongest regional(s) is (are) always the one(s) you attend. Remember, you can only really understand how good a team is if you see them live!
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Re: Strongest regional competitions

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The Waterloo regional will be one of the more competitive ones next year. Only two of the teams attending were not in eliminations at any event last year.
But only 26 teams at Waterloo made eliminations last year and I'd suspect many of those made it at Waterloo, which likely was one of the easier events to get picked at.

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Re: Strongest regional competitions

I finally got around to the tedious task (for me, without scripting capabilities) of putting all the current team lists for the events into Excel and looking up aWAR for each team.

If you're new to aWAR, it is essentially a year-by-year statistic to describe how good/successful a team was in a certain year. It is primarily based on the district point system (i.e., teams accrue points based on how they do in quals, picking, elims, and awards), plus an addition from OPR. District and CMP points have a 1.7x multiplier. This raw point value is then adjusted and scaled so that a 'replacement level' team (I determined a replacement level team to be one which is on the cusp of making elims at a 40-team district event, with a 5-7-0 record who may or may not win some awards) has an aWAR around 0 and a dominant team that year should have an aWAR around 7. aWAR stands for 'aggregate Wins Above Replacement,' explaining why it is scaled as such... an aWAR of 0 would suggest a team capable of being on the cusp of making elims, an aWAR of 7 would suggest a team capable of getting a perfect record in quals. For more information about aWAR, see this thread where I first introduced it (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=1).

At any rate, for this ranking I used teams' multi-season aWAR... the weighted average of the last 4 years (40%, 32%, 20%, 8%). For each event I took the average of all teams, the average of the top 8 teams by aWAR, the average of the top 16 teams by aWAR, and the average of the top 24 teams by aWAR. Each are given below.

The average aWAR could theoretically evaluate how good qualification matches, whereas the average of the top 8 may be better for determining which events have the most 'star power', and the average of the top 24 may be better for evaluating how competitive elims will be. Note that the averages of the upper subsets (particularly the top 24) will favor large events and the average of all teams may be pretty foreign from how folks usually evaluate how good a tournament is (looking at the top few teams).

As is starting to be discussed some in this thread, no statistical description of teams performance (whether over the team's history, recent years, or last year) will perfectly describe the team's success... however, you see teams generally performing around similar levels (i.e., perennial powerhouses, perennial contenders, teams that sometimes build contenders, teams that have never made elims, etc.). The idea is that you can predict roughly how competitive events will be relative to others... obviously this can only go so far.

I'm attaching a spreadsheet that allows you to go through and sort/rank the events yourself (perhaps filter out categories?) and also allows you to sort/rank teams by aWAR... I recommend this particularly for those of you that are intrigued by or skeptical of aWAR. Filter down to teams from your area and see what you think... I hope to upload my full aWAR spreadsheet that allows you to use the lookup feature to 'study' teams' recent years and individual seasons (similar to the lookup sheet on Ed Law's spreadsheet).

As a last note, almost all the groundwork to calculate aWAR was laid by Dan Niemitalo (Nemo), who made the spreadsheet for the same reason but to generate a statistic he called Performance Index.



Sorted by Top 8 aWAR:
Code:
Rank  Event Code   Week   Type           Event Name                               Average top8    top16   top24
1     txda         1      Regional       Dallas Regional                              1.34    4.80    3.26    2.47
2     onwa         4      Regional       Waterloo Regional                            1.80    4.23    2.81    2.10
3     pahat        1      MAR            Hatboro-Horsham Event                        1.67    4.22    3.26    2.49
4     arfa         2      Regional       Arkansas Rock City Regional                  1.29    3.98    3.10    2.61
5     nvlv         5      Regional       Las Vegas Regional                           1.02    3.82    2.62    1.97
6     casj         6      Regional       Silicon Valley Regional                      1.00    3.77    2.69    2.16
7     miliv        5      Michigan       Livonia Event                                1.24    3.77    2.63    2.02
8     miwat        2      Michigan       Waterford Event                              1.30    3.76    2.80    2.11
9     onto2        2      Regional       Greater Toronto Central Regional             1.07    3.71    2.46    1.84
10    carm         1      Regional       Inland Empire R egional                      1.20    3.68    2.35    1.72
11    miwmi        4      Michigan       West Michigan Event                          1.36    3.61    2.68    2.15
12    hiho         5      Regional       Hawaii Regional                              1.39    3.60    2.57    1.99
13    cama         2      Regional       Central Valley Regional                      1.10    3.57    2.53    2.02
14    onwi         6      Regional       Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional           1.01    3.51    2.40    1.90
15    njfla        2      MAR            Mt Olive Event                               1.50    3.49    2.67    2.14
16    onto         3      Regional       Greater Toronto Regional                     1.14    3.47    2.59    2.04
17    calb         3      Regional       Los Angeles Regional                         0.83    3.38    2.47    1.96
18    njbri        5      MAR            Bridgewater-Raritran Event                   1.38    3.38    2.68    2.08
19    flfo         1      Regional       South Florida                                1.15    3.38    2.63    2.12
20    misjo        4      Michigan       St Joseph Event                              1.04    3.37    2.24    1.55
21    waamv        1      PNW            Auburn Mountainview Event                    1.44    3.36    2.49    1.85
22    ohci         6      Regional       Queen City Regional                          1.20    3.36    2.58    2.13
23    cthar        5      New England    Hartford Event                               1.31    3.35    2.49    1.88
24    paphi        3      MAR            Springside Chestnut Hill Event               1.41    3.35    2.42    1.93
25    casa         4      Regional       Sacramento Regional                          0.93    3.34    2.33    1.87
26    wamou        3      PNW            Mount Vernon Event                           1.33    3.29    2.26    1.75
27    cave         5      Regional       Ventura Regional                             1.25    3.29    2.22    1.61
28    mihow        1      Michigan       Howell Event                                 1.30    3.27    2.42    1.95
29    misou        1      Michigan       Southfield Event                             0.95    3.27    2.17    1.56
30    njtab        4      MAR            Seneca Event                                 1.11    3.27    2.37    1.71
31    utwv         3      Regional       Utah Regional                                1.12    3.23    2.53    2.12
32    mndu2        1      Regional       Northern Lights                              0.75    3.23    2.30    1.78
33    mifla        3      Michigan       Woodhaven Event                              1.15    3.20    2.21    1.58
34    flor         3      Regional       Orlando Regional                             0.96    3.16    2.61    2.15
35    wimi         4      Regional       Wisconsin Regional                           1.04    3.07    2.40    2.02
36    ctwat        1      New England    Waterbury Event                              1.30    3.04    2.22    1.70
37    lake         4      Regional       Bayou Regional                               0.87    3.04    2.33    1.84
38    ilil         4      Regional       Central Illinois Regional                    1.33    3.03    2.34    1.92
39    txsa         3      Regional       Alamo Regional                               0.70    3.03    2.32    1.76
40    casd         6      Regional       San Diego Regional                           0.72    3.03    2.12    1.66
41    papi         2      Regional       Greater Pittsburgh Regional                  1.15    3.02    2.53    2.09
42    mitvc        3      Michigan       Traverse City Event                          0.91    3.02    2.05    1.51
43    njnbr        6      MAR            North Brunswick Event                        1.15    3.02    2.08    1.54
44    ohcl         5      Regional       Buckeye Regional                             0.98    3.01    2.43    2.01
45    rismi        4      New England    Rhode Island Event                           1.06    2.98    2.21    1.62
46    mosl         4      Regional       St Louis Regional                            0.90    2.98    2.06    1.56
47    inwla        4      Indiana        Purdue Event                                 1.08    2.98    2.18    1.66
48    inind        1      Indiana        Indianapolis Event                           1.19    2.97    2.26    1.70
49    ilch         6      Regional       Midwest Regional                             0.86    2.93    2.09    1.67
50    padre        5      MAR            Upper Darby Event                            1.23    2.92    2.18    1.71
51    nyro         5      Regional       Finger Lakes Regional                        1.08    2.92    2.34    1.82
52    mnni2        6      Regional       Minnesota North Star Regional                0.66    2.84    2.01    1.57
53    onnb         5      Regional       North Bay Regional                           1.13    2.75    2.13    1.66
54    azch         4      Regional       Arizona East Regional                        1.05    2.73    2.16    1.70
55    miken        2      Michigan       Kentwood Event                               0.97    2.73    1.98    1.47
56    nhdur        4      New England    UNH Event                                    1.03    2.73    2.06    1.62
57    mdcp         6      Regional       Chesapeake Regional                          0.81    2.72    2.12    1.72
58    mitry        6      Michigan       Troy Event                                   0.80    2.71    1.65    1.18
59    mnmi         6      Regional       Minneosta 10000 Lakes Regional               0.74    2.69    2.00    1.61
60    qcmo         4      Regional       Montreal Regional                            0.78    2.67    1.86    1.45
61    nytr         4      Regional       New York Tech Valley Regional                1.26    2.64    2.19    1.76
62    mokc         3      Regional       Greater Kansas City Regional                 0.72    2.60    1.91    1.49
63    maspr        2      New England    Pioneer Valley Event                         1.12    2.59    1.89    1.51
64    micen        5      Michigan       Center Line Event                            0.84    2.58    1.85    1.37
65    manda        3      New England    Umass Dartmouth Event                        1.14    2.57    1.74    1.20
66    orore        1      PNW            Oregon City Event                            1.10    2.56    1.86    1.44
67    washo        4      PNW            Shorewood Event                              0.99    2.55    1.75    1.29
68    mabos        5      New England    Northeastern University Event                0.91    2.54    1.82    1.45
69    mndu         1      Regional       Lake Superior Regional                       0.68    2.52    1.91    1.55
70    txlu         5      Regional       Hub City Regional                            0.80    2.50    1.81    1.43
71    scmb         1      Regional       Palmetto Regional                            0.84    2.49    2.14    1.87
72    miket        2      Michigan       Kettering University Event                   0.66    2.47    1.58    1.12
73    waahs        5      PNW            Auburn Event                                 0.94    2.46    1.67    1.24
74    tnkn         6      Regional       Smoky Moutains Regional                      0.70    2.46    1.78    1.38
75    ista         3      Regional       Israel Regional                              0.72    2.41    1.92    1.51
76    code         5      Regional       Colorado Regional                            0.78    2.39    1.73    1.40
77    gadu         5      Regional       Peachtree Regional                           0.65    2.39    1.99    1.65
78    wasno        2      PNW            Glacier Peak Event                           1.00    2.38    1.73    1.34
79    gape         1      Regional       Georgia Southern Classic Regional            0.79    2.38    1.75    1.36
80    waell        4      PNW            Central Washington University Event          1.01    2.37    1.74    1.33
81    nhnas        1      New England    Granite State Event                          0.90    2.37    1.75    1.38
82    inkok        3      Indiana        Kokomo City Event                            0.89    2.36    1.59    1.11
83    nyli         5      Regional       SBPLI Long Island Regoinal                   0.91    2.35    2.03    1.70
84    orwil        3      PNW            Wilsonville Event                            0.99    2.31    1.66    1.28
85    okok         5      Regional       Oklahoma Regional                            0.67    2.24    1.82    1.51
86    marea        2      New England    Reading Event                                0.69    2.21    1.54    1.18
87    mimid        4      Michigan       Great Lakes Bay Region Event                 0.67    2.21    1.49    1.10
88    vari         4      Regional       Virginia Regional                            0.64    2.17    1.81    1.57
89    azpx         6      Regional       Arizona West Regional                        0.83    2.16    1.60    1.13
90    nyny         3      Regional       New York City Regional                       0.57    2.10    1.76    1.44
91    dcwa         5      Regional       Greater DC Regional                          0.77    2.10    1.75    1.41
92    melew        3      New England    Pine Tree Event                              0.89    2.05    1.55    1.16
93    txho         6      Regional       Lone Star Regional                           0.66    1.99    1.62    1.32
94    ausy         3      Regional       Australia Regional                           0.39    1.90    0.96    0.64
95    ncre         4      Regional       North Carolina Regional                      0.50    1.88    1.52    1.17
96    abca         6      Regional       Western Canada Regional                      0.57    1.87    1.22    0.83
97    milan        6      Michigan       Lansing Event                                0.59    1.81    1.19    0.79
98    migul        3      Michigan       Gull Lake Event                              0.54    1.77    1.23    0.89
99    waspo        2      PNW            West Valley Event                            0.80    1.77    1.21    0.84
100   orphi        5      PNW            Philomath Event                              0.83    1.67    1.35    1.06
101   mxmc         2      Regional       Mexico City Regional                         0.53    1.58    1.12    0.88
102   miesc        5      Michigan       Escanaba Event                               0.54    1.49    0.98    0.66
103   mista        1      Michigan       Standish Event                               0.40    1.15    0.82    0.57
104   mibed        6      Michigan       Bedford Event                                0.58    0.73    0.50    0.50

Sorted by Top 16 aWAR:
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Rank  Event Code   Week   Type           Event Name                               Average top8    top16   top24
1     pahat        1      MAR            Hatboro-Horsham Event                        1.67    4.22    3.26    2.49
2     txda         1      Regional       Dallas Regional                              1.34    4.80    3.26    2.47
3     arfa         2      Regional       Arkansas Rock City Regional                  1.29    3.98    3.10    2.61
4     onwa         4      Regional       Waterloo Regional                            1.80    4.23    2.81    2.10
5     miwat        2      Michigan       Waterford Event                              1.30    3.76    2.80    2.11
6     casj         6      Regional       Silicon Valley Regional                      1.00    3.77    2.69    2.16
7     njbri        5      MAR            Bridgewater-Raritran Event                   1.38    3.38    2.68    2.08
8     miwmi        4      Michigan       West Michigan Event                          1.36    3.61    2.68    2.15
9     njfla        2      MAR            Mt Olive Event                               1.50    3.49    2.67    2.14
10    miliv        5      Michigan       Livonia Event                                1.24    3.77    2.63    2.02
11    flfo         1      Regional       South Florida                                1.15    3.38    2.63    2.12
12    nvlv         5      Regional       Las Vegas Regional                           1.02    3.82    2.62    1.97
13    flor         3      Regional       Orlando Regional                             0.96    3.16    2.61    2.15
14    onto         3      Regional       Greater Toronto Regional                     1.14    3.47    2.59    2.04
15    ohci         6      Regional       Queen City Regional                          1.20    3.36    2.58    2.13
16    hiho         5      Regional       Hawaii Regional                              1.39    3.60    2.57    1.99
17    papi         2      Regional       Greater Pittsburgh Regional                  1.15    3.02    2.53    2.09
18    utwv         3      Regional       Utah Regional                                1.12    3.23    2.53    2.12
19    cama         2      Regional       Central Valley Regional                      1.10    3.57    2.53    2.02
20    waamv        1      PNW            Auburn Mountainview Event                    1.44    3.36    2.49    1.85
21    cthar        5      New England    Hartford Event                               1.31    3.35    2.49    1.88
22    calb         3      Regional       Los Angeles Regional                         0.83    3.38    2.47    1.96
23    onto2        2      Regional       Greater Toronto Central Regional             1.07    3.71    2.46    1.84
24    ohcl         5      Regional       Buckeye Regional                             0.98    3.01    2.43    2.01
25    mihow        1      Michigan       Howell Event                                 1.30    3.27    2.42    1.95
26    paphi        3      MAR            Springside Chestnut Hill Event               1.41    3.35    2.42    1.93
27    wimi         4      Regional       Wisconsin Regional                           1.04    3.07    2.40    2.02
28    onwi         6      Regional       Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional           1.01    3.51    2.40    1.90
29    njtab        4      MAR            Seneca Event                                 1.11    3.27    2.37    1.71
30    carm         1      Regional       Inland Empire R egional                      1.20    3.68    2.35    1.72
31    nyro         5      Regional       Finger Lakes Regional                        1.08    2.92    2.34    1.82
32    ilil         4      Regional       Central Illinois Regional                    1.33    3.03    2.34    1.92
33    casa         4      Regional       Sacramento Regional                          0.93    3.34    2.33    1.87
34    lake         4      Regional       Bayou Regional                               0.87    3.04    2.33    1.84
35    txsa         3      Regional       Alamo Regional                               0.70    3.03    2.32    1.76
36    mndu2        1      Regional       Northern Lights                              0.75    3.23    2.30    1.78
37    wamou        3      PNW            Mount Vernon Event                           1.33    3.29    2.26    1.75
38    inind        1      Indiana        Indianapolis Event                           1.19    2.97    2.26    1.70
39    misjo        4      Michigan       St Joseph Event                              1.04    3.37    2.24    1.55
40    cave         5      Regional       Ventura Regional                             1.25    3.29    2.22    1.61
41    ctwat        1      New England    Waterbury Event                              1.30    3.04    2.22    1.70
42    rismi        4      New England    Rhode Island Event                           1.06    2.98    2.21    1.62
43    mifla        3      Michigan       Woodhaven Event                              1.15    3.20    2.21    1.58
44    nytr         4      Regional       New York Tech Valley Regional                1.26    2.64    2.19    1.76
45    padre        5      MAR            Upper Darby Event                            1.23    2.92    2.18    1.71
46    inwla        4      Indiana        Purdue Event                                 1.08    2.98    2.18    1.66
47    misou        1      Michigan       Southfield Event                             0.95    3.27    2.17    1.56
48    azch         4      Regional       Arizona East Regional                        1.05    2.73    2.16    1.70
49    scmb         1      Regional       Palmetto Regional                            0.84    2.49    2.14    1.87
50    onnb         5      Regional       North Bay Regional                           1.13    2.75    2.13    1.66
51    casd         6      Regional       San Diego Regional                           0.72    3.03    2.12    1.66
52    mdcp         6      Regional       Chesapeake Regional                          0.81    2.72    2.12    1.72
53    ilch         6      Regional       Midwest Regional                             0.86    2.93    2.09    1.67
54    njnbr        6      MAR            North Brunswick Event                        1.15    3.02    2.08    1.54
55    nhdur        4      New England    UNH Event                                    1.03    2.73    2.06    1.62
56    mosl         4      Regional       St Louis Regional                            0.90    2.98    2.06    1.56
57    mitvc        3      Michigan       Traverse City Event                          0.91    3.02    2.05    1.51
58    nyli         5      Regional       SBPLI Long Island Regoinal                   0.91    2.35    2.03    1.70
59    mnni2        6      Regional       Minnesota North Star Regional                0.66    2.84    2.01    1.57
60    mnmi         6      Regional       Minneosta 10000 Lakes Regional               0.74    2.69    2.00    1.61
61    gadu         5      Regional       Peachtree Regional                           0.65    2.39    1.99    1.65
62    miken        2      Michigan       Kentwood Event                               0.97    2.73    1.98    1.47
63    ista         3      Regional       Israel Regional                              0.72    2.41    1.92    1.51
64    mndu         1      Regional       Lake Superior Regional                       0.68    2.52    1.91    1.55
65    mokc         3      Regional       Greater Kansas City Regional                 0.72    2.60    1.91    1.49
66    maspr        2      New England    Pioneer Valley Event                         1.12    2.59    1.89    1.51
67    orore        1      PNW            Oregon City Event                            1.10    2.56    1.86    1.44
68    qcmo         4      Regional       Montreal Regional                            0.78    2.67    1.86    1.45
69    micen        5      Michigan       Center Line Event                            0.84    2.58    1.85    1.37
70    okok         5      Regional       Oklahoma Regional                            0.67    2.24    1.82    1.51
71    mabos        5      New England    Northeastern University Event                0.91    2.54    1.82    1.45
72    vari         4      Regional       Virginia Regional                            0.64    2.17    1.81    1.57
73    txlu         5      Regional       Hub City Regional                            0.80    2.50    1.81    1.43
74    tnkn         6      Regional       Smoky Moutains Regional                      0.70    2.46    1.78    1.38
75    nyny         3      Regional       New York City Regional                       0.57    2.10    1.76    1.44
76    dcwa         5      Regional       Greater DC Regional                          0.77    2.10    1.75    1.41
77    washo        4      PNW            Shorewood Event                              0.99    2.55    1.75    1.29
78    gape         1      Regional       Georgia Southern Classic Regional            0.79    2.38    1.75    1.36
79    nhnas        1      New England    Granite State Event                          0.90    2.37    1.75    1.38
80    waell        4      PNW            Central Washington University Event          1.01    2.37    1.74    1.33
81    manda        3      New England    Umass Dartmouth Event                        1.14    2.57    1.74    1.20
82    wasno        2      PNW            Glacier Peak Event                           1.00    2.38    1.73    1.34
83    code         5      Regional       Colorado Regional                            0.78    2.39    1.73    1.40
84    waahs        5      PNW            Auburn Event                                 0.94    2.46    1.67    1.24
85    orwil        3      PNW            Wilsonville Event                            0.99    2.31    1.66    1.28
86    mitry        6      Michigan       Troy Event                                   0.80    2.71    1.65    1.18
87    txho         6      Regional       Lone Star Regional                           0.66    1.99    1.62    1.32
88    azpx         6      Regional       Arizona West Regional                        0.83    2.16    1.60    1.13
89    inkok        3      Indiana        Kokomo City Event                            0.89    2.36    1.59    1.11
90    miket        2      Michigan       Kettering University Event                   0.66    2.47    1.58    1.12
91    melew        3      New England    Pine Tree Event                              0.89    2.05    1.55    1.16
92    marea        2      New England    Reading Event                                0.69    2.21    1.54    1.18
93    ncre         4      Regional       North Carolina Regional                      0.50    1.88    1.52    1.17
94    mimid        4      Michigan       Great Lakes Bay Region Event                 0.67    2.21    1.49    1.10
95    orphi        5      PNW            Philomath Event                              0.83    1.67    1.35    1.06
96    migul        3      Michigan       Gull Lake Event                              0.54    1.77    1.23    0.89
97    abca         6      Regional       Western Canada Regional                      0.57    1.87    1.22    0.83
98    waspo        2      PNW            West Valley Event                            0.80    1.77    1.21    0.84
99    milan        6      Michigan       Lansing Event                                0.59    1.81    1.19    0.79
100   mxmc         2      Regional       Mexico City Regional                         0.53    1.58    1.12    0.88
101   miesc        5      Michigan       Escanaba Event                               0.54    1.49    0.98    0.66
102   ausy         3      Regional       Australia Regional                           0.39    1.90    0.96    0.64
103   mista        1      Michigan       Standish Event                               0.40    1.15    0.82    0.57
104   mibed        6      Michigan       Bedford Event                                0.58    0.73    0.50    0.50

Sorted by Top 24:
Code:
Rank  Event Code   Week   Type           Event Name                               Average top8    top16   top24
1     arfa         2      Regional       Arkansas Rock City Regional                  1.29    3.98    3.10    2.61
2     pahat        1      MAR            Hatboro-Horsham Event                        1.67    4.22    3.26    2.49
3     txda         1      Regional       Dallas Regional                              1.34    4.80    3.26    2.47
4     casj         6      Regional       Silicon Valley Regional                      1.00    3.77    2.69    2.16
5     miwmi        4      Michigan       West Michigan Event                          1.36    3.61    2.68    2.15
6     flor         3      Regional       Orlando Regional                             0.96    3.16    2.61    2.15
7     njfla        2      MAR            Mt Olive Event                               1.50    3.49    2.67    2.14
8     ohci         6      Regional       Queen City Regional                          1.20    3.36    2.58    2.13
9     flfo         1      Regional       South Florida                                1.15    3.38    2.63    2.12
10    utwv         3      Regional       Utah Regional                                1.12    3.23    2.53    2.12
11    miwat        2      Michigan       Waterford Event                              1.30    3.76    2.80    2.11
12    onwa         4      Regional       Waterloo Regional                            1.80    4.23    2.81    2.10
13    papi         2      Regional       Greater Pittsburgh Regional                  1.15    3.02    2.53    2.09
14    njbri        5      MAR            Bridgewater-Raritran Event                   1.38    3.38    2.68    2.08
15    onto         3      Regional       Greater Toronto Regional                     1.14    3.47    2.59    2.04
16    wimi         4      Regional       Wisconsin Regional                           1.04    3.07    2.40    2.02
17    miliv        5      Michigan       Livonia Event                                1.24    3.77    2.63    2.02
18    cama         2      Regional       Central Valley Regional                      1.10    3.57    2.53    2.02
19    ohcl         5      Regional       Buckeye Regional                             0.98    3.01    2.43    2.01
20    hiho         5      Regional       Hawaii Regional                              1.39    3.60    2.57    1.99
21    nvlv         5      Regional       Las Vegas Regional                           1.02    3.82    2.62    1.97
22    calb         3      Regional       Los Angeles Regional                         0.83    3.38    2.47    1.96
23    mihow        1      Michigan       Howell Event                                 1.30    3.27    2.42    1.95
24    paphi        3      MAR            Springside Chestnut Hill Event               1.41    3.35    2.42    1.93
25    ilil         4      Regional       Central Illinois Regional                    1.33    3.03    2.34    1.92
26    onwi         6      Regional       Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional           1.01    3.51    2.40    1.90
27    cthar        5      New England    Hartford Event                               1.31    3.35    2.49    1.88
28    casa         4      Regional       Sacramento Regional                          0.93    3.34    2.33    1.87
29    scmb         1      Regional       Palmetto Regional                            0.84    2.49    2.14    1.87
30    waamv        1      PNW            Auburn Mountainview Event                    1.44    3.36    2.49    1.85
31    onto2        2      Regional       Greater Toronto Central Regional             1.07    3.71    2.46    1.84
32    lake         4      Regional       Bayou Regional                               0.87    3.04    2.33    1.84
33    nyro         5      Regional       Finger Lakes Regional                        1.08    2.92    2.34    1.82
34    mndu2        1      Regional       Northern Lights                              0.75    3.23    2.30    1.78
35    txsa         3      Regional       Alamo Regional                               0.70    3.03    2.32    1.76
36    nytr         4      Regional       New York Tech Valley Regional                1.26    2.64    2.19    1.76
37    wamou        3      PNW            Mount Vernon Event                           1.33    3.29    2.26    1.75
38    carm         1      Regional       Inland Empire R egional                      1.20    3.68    2.35    1.72
39    mdcp         6      Regional       Chesapeake Regional                          0.81    2.72    2.12    1.72
40    njtab        4      MAR            Seneca Event                                 1.11    3.27    2.37    1.71
41    padre        5      MAR            Upper Darby Event                            1.23    2.92    2.18    1.71
42    ctwat        1      New England    Waterbury Event                              1.30    3.04    2.22    1.70
43    azch         4      Regional       Arizona East Regional                        1.05    2.73    2.16    1.70
44    inind        1      Indiana        Indianapolis Event                           1.19    2.97    2.26    1.70
45    nyli         5      Regional       SBPLI Long Island Regoinal                   0.91    2.35    2.03    1.70
46    ilch         6      Regional       Midwest Regional                             0.86    2.93    2.09    1.67
47    onnb         5      Regional       North Bay Regional                           1.13    2.75    2.13    1.66
48    inwla        4      Indiana        Purdue Event                                 1.08    2.98    2.18    1.66
49    casd         6      Regional       San Diego Regional                           0.72    3.03    2.12    1.66
50    gadu         5      Regional       Peachtree Regional                           0.65    2.39    1.99    1.65
51    rismi        4      New England    Rhode Island Event                           1.06    2.98    2.21    1.62
52    nhdur        4      New England    UNH Event                                    1.03    2.73    2.06    1.62
53    cave         5      Regional       Ventura Regional                             1.25    3.29    2.22    1.61
54    mnmi         6      Regional       Minneosta 10000 Lakes Regional               0.74    2.69    2.00    1.61
55    mifla        3      Michigan       Woodhaven Event                              1.15    3.20    2.21    1.58
56    vari         4      Regional       Virginia Regional                            0.64    2.17    1.81    1.57
57    mnni2        6      Regional       Minnesota North Star Regional                0.66    2.84    2.01    1.57
58    misou        1      Michigan       Southfield Event                             0.95    3.27    2.17    1.56
59    mosl         4      Regional       St Louis Regional                            0.90    2.98    2.06    1.56
60    misjo        4      Michigan       St Joseph Event                              1.04    3.37    2.24    1.55
61    mndu         1      Regional       Lake Superior Regional                       0.68    2.52    1.91    1.55
62    njnbr        6      MAR            North Brunswick Event                        1.15    3.02    2.08    1.54
63    mitvc        3      Michigan       Traverse City Event                          0.91    3.02    2.05    1.51
64    ista         3      Regional       Israel Regional                              0.72    2.41    1.92    1.51
65    okok         5      Regional       Oklahoma Regional                            0.67    2.24    1.82    1.51
66    maspr        2      New England    Pioneer Valley Event                         1.12    2.59    1.89    1.51
67    mokc         3      Regional       Greater Kansas City Regional                 0.72    2.60    1.91    1.49
68    miken        2      Michigan       Kentwood Event                               0.97    2.73    1.98    1.47
69    qcmo         4      Regional       Montreal Regional                            0.78    2.67    1.86    1.45
70    mabos        5      New England    Northeastern University Event                0.91    2.54    1.82    1.45
71    nyny         3      Regional       New York City Regional                       0.57    2.10    1.76    1.44
72    orore        1      PNW            Oregon City Event                            1.10    2.56    1.86    1.44
73    txlu         5      Regional       Hub City Regional                            0.80    2.50    1.81    1.43
74    dcwa         5      Regional       Greater DC Regional                          0.77    2.10    1.75    1.41
75    code         5      Regional       Colorado Regional                            0.78    2.39    1.73    1.40
76    tnkn         6      Regional       Smoky Moutains Regional                      0.70    2.46    1.78    1.38
77    nhnas        1      New England    Granite State Event                          0.90    2.37    1.75    1.38
78    micen        5      Michigan       Center Line Event                            0.84    2.58    1.85    1.37
79    gape         1      Regional       Georgia Southern Classic Regional            0.79    2.38    1.75    1.36
80    wasno        2      PNW            Glacier Peak Event                           1.00    2.38    1.73    1.34
81    waell        4      PNW            Central Washington University Event          1.01    2.37    1.74    1.33
82    txho         6      Regional       Lone Star Regional                           0.66    1.99    1.62    1.32
83    washo        4      PNW            Shorewood Event                              0.99    2.55    1.75    1.29
84    orwil        3      PNW            Wilsonville Event                            0.99    2.31    1.66    1.28
85    waahs        5      PNW            Auburn Event                                 0.94    2.46    1.67    1.24
86    manda        3      New England    Umass Dartmouth Event                        1.14    2.57    1.74    1.20
87    marea        2      New England    Reading Event                                0.69    2.21    1.54    1.18
88    mitry        6      Michigan       Troy Event                                   0.80    2.71    1.65    1.18
89    ncre         4      Regional       North Carolina Regional                      0.50    1.88    1.52    1.17
90    melew        3      New England    Pine Tree Event                              0.89    2.05    1.55    1.16
91    azpx         6      Regional       Arizona West Regional                        0.83    2.16    1.60    1.13
92    miket        2      Michigan       Kettering University Event                   0.66    2.47    1.58    1.12
93    inkok        3      Indiana        Kokomo City Event                            0.89    2.36    1.59    1.11
94    mimid        4      Michigan       Great Lakes Bay Region Event                 0.67    2.21    1.49    1.10
95    orphi        5      PNW            Philomath Event                              0.83    1.67    1.35    1.06
96    migul        3      Michigan       Gull Lake Event                              0.54    1.77    1.23    0.89
97    mxmc         2      Regional       Mexico City Regional                         0.53    1.58    1.12    0.88
98    waspo        2      PNW            West Valley Event                            0.80    1.77    1.21    0.84
99    abca         6      Regional       Western Canada Regional                      0.57    1.87    1.22    0.83
100   milan        6      Michigan       Lansing Event                                0.59    1.81    1.19    0.79
101   miesc        5      Michigan       Escanaba Event                               0.54    1.49    0.98    0.66
102   ausy         3      Regional       Australia Regional                           0.39    1.90    0.96    0.64
103   mista        1      Michigan       Standish Event                               0.40    1.15    0.82    0.57
104   mibed        6      Michigan       Bedford Event                                0.58    0.73    0.50    0.50

Sorted by Average aWAR:
Code:
Rank  Event Code   Week   Type           Event Name                               Average top8    top16   top24
1     onwa         4      Regional       Waterloo Regional                            1.80    4.23    2.81    2.10
2     pahat        1      MAR            Hatboro-Horsham Event                        1.67    4.22    3.26    2.49
3     njfla        2      MAR            Mt Olive Event                               1.50    3.49    2.67    2.14
4     waamv        1      PNW            Auburn Mountainview Event                    1.44    3.36    2.49    1.85
5     paphi        3      MAR            Springside Chestnut Hill Event               1.41    3.35    2.42    1.93
6     hiho         5      Regional       Hawaii Regional                              1.39    3.60    2.57    1.99
7     njbri        5      MAR            Bridgewater-Raritran Event                   1.38    3.38    2.68    2.08
8     miwmi        4      Michigan       West Michigan Event                          1.36    3.61    2.68    2.15
9     txda         1      Regional       Dallas Regional                              1.34    4.80    3.26    2.47
10    wamou        3      PNW            Mount Vernon Event                           1.33    3.29    2.26    1.75
11    ilil         4      Regional       Central Illinois Regional                    1.33    3.03    2.34    1.92
12    cthar        5      New England    Hartford Event                               1.31    3.35    2.49    1.88
13    mihow        1      Michigan       Howell Event                                 1.30    3.27    2.42    1.95
14    ctwat        1      New England    Waterbury Event                              1.30    3.04    2.22    1.70
15    miwat        2      Michigan       Waterford Event                              1.30    3.76    2.80    2.11
16    arfa         2      Regional       Arkansas Rock City Regional                  1.29    3.98    3.10    2.61
17    nytr         4      Regional       New York Tech Valley Regional                1.26    2.64    2.19    1.76
18    cave         5      Regional       Ventura Regional                             1.25    3.29    2.22    1.61
19    miliv        5      Michigan       Livonia Event                                1.24    3.77    2.63    2.02
20    padre        5      MAR            Upper Darby Event                            1.23    2.92    2.18    1.71
21    ohci         6      Regional       Queen City Regional                          1.20    3.36    2.58    2.13
22    carm         1      Regional       Inland Empire R egional                      1.20    3.68    2.35    1.72
23    inind        1      Indiana        Indianapolis Event                           1.19    2.97    2.26    1.70
24    mifla        3      Michigan       Woodhaven Event                              1.15    3.20    2.21    1.58
25    njnbr        6      MAR            North Brunswick Event                        1.15    3.02    2.08    1.54
26    flfo         1      Regional       South Florida                                1.15    3.38    2.63    2.12
27    papi         2      Regional       Greater Pittsburgh Regional                  1.15    3.02    2.53    2.09
28    onto         3      Regional       Greater Toronto Regional                     1.14    3.47    2.59    2.04
29    manda        3      New England    Umass Dartmouth Event                        1.14    2.57    1.74    1.20
30    onnb         5      Regional       North Bay Regional                           1.13    2.75    2.13    1.66
31    utwv         3      Regional       Utah Regional                                1.12    3.23    2.53    2.12
32    maspr        2      New England    Pioneer Valley Event                         1.12    2.59    1.89    1.51
33    njtab        4      MAR            Seneca Event                                 1.11    3.27    2.37    1.71
34    cama         2      Regional       Central Valley Regional                      1.10    3.57    2.53    2.02
35    orore        1      PNW            Oregon City Event                            1.10    2.56    1.86    1.44
36    nyro         5      Regional       Finger Lakes Regional                        1.08    2.92    2.34    1.82
37    inwla        4      Indiana        Purdue Event                                 1.08    2.98    2.18    1.66
38    onto2        2      Regional       Greater Toronto Central Regional             1.07    3.71    2.46    1.84
39    rismi        4      New England    Rhode Island Event                           1.06    2.98    2.21    1.62
40    azch         4      Regional       Arizona East Regional                        1.05    2.73    2.16    1.70
41    wimi         4      Regional       Wisconsin Regional                           1.04    3.07    2.40    2.02
42    misjo        4      Michigan       St Joseph Event                              1.04    3.37    2.24    1.55
43    nhdur        4      New England    UNH Event                                    1.03    2.73    2.06    1.62
44    nvlv         5      Regional       Las Vegas Regional                           1.02    3.82    2.62    1.97
45    onwi         6      Regional       Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional           1.01    3.51    2.40    1.90
46    waell        4      PNW            Central Washington University Event          1.01    2.37    1.74    1.33
47    wasno        2      PNW            Glacier Peak Event                           1.00    2.38    1.73    1.34
48    casj         6      Regional       Silicon Valley Regional                      1.00    3.77    2.69    2.16
49    washo        4      PNW            Shorewood Event                              0.99    2.55    1.75    1.29
50    orwil        3      PNW            Wilsonville Event                            0.99    2.31    1.66    1.28
51    ohcl         5      Regional       Buckeye Regional                             0.98    3.01    2.43    2.01
52    miken        2      Michigan       Kentwood Event                               0.97    2.73    1.98    1.47
53    flor         3      Regional       Orlando Regional                             0.96    3.16    2.61    2.15
54    misou        1      Michigan       Southfield Event                             0.95    3.27    2.17    1.56
55    waahs        5      PNW            Auburn Event                                 0.94    2.46    1.67    1.24
56    casa         4      Regional       Sacramento Regional                          0.93    3.34    2.33    1.87
57    mitvc        3      Michigan       Traverse City Event                          0.91    3.02    2.05    1.51
58    nyli         5      Regional       SBPLI Long Island Regoinal                   0.91    2.35    2.03    1.70
59    mabos        5      New England    Northeastern University Event                0.91    2.54    1.82    1.45
60    mosl         4      Regional       St Louis Regional                            0.90    2.98    2.06    1.56
61    nhnas        1      New England    Granite State Event                          0.90    2.37    1.75    1.38
62    inkok        3      Indiana        Kokomo City Event                            0.89    2.36    1.59    1.11
63    melew        3      New England    Pine Tree Event                              0.89    2.05    1.55    1.16
64    lake         4      Regional       Bayou Regional                               0.87    3.04    2.33    1.84
65    ilch         6      Regional       Midwest Regional                             0.86    2.93    2.09    1.67
66    scmb         1      Regional       Palmetto Regional                            0.84    2.49    2.14    1.87
67    micen        5      Michigan       Center Line Event                            0.84    2.58    1.85    1.37
68    calb         3      Regional       Los Angeles Regional                         0.83    3.38    2.47    1.96
69    orphi        5      PNW            Philomath Event                              0.83    1.67    1.35    1.06
70    azpx         6      Regional       Arizona West Regional                        0.83    2.16    1.60    1.13
71    mdcp         6      Regional       Chesapeake Regional                          0.81    2.72    2.12    1.72
72    waspo        2      PNW            West Valley Event                            0.80    1.77    1.21    0.84
73    mitry        6      Michigan       Troy Event                                   0.80    2.71    1.65    1.18
74    txlu         5      Regional       Hub City Regional                            0.80    2.50    1.81    1.43
75    gape         1      Regional       Georgia Southern Classic Regional            0.79    2.38    1.75    1.36
76    code         5      Regional       Colorado Regional                            0.78    2.39    1.73    1.40
77    qcmo         4      Regional       Montreal Regional                            0.78    2.67    1.86    1.45
78    dcwa         5      Regional       Greater DC Regional                          0.77    2.10    1.75    1.41
79    mndu2        1      Regional       Northern Lights                              0.75    3.23    2.30    1.78
80    mnmi         6      Regional       Minneosta 10000 Lakes Regional               0.74    2.69    2.00    1.61
81    mokc         3      Regional       Greater Kansas City Regional                 0.72    2.60    1.91    1.49
82    ista         3      Regional       Israel Regional                              0.72    2.41    1.92    1.51
83    casd         6      Regional       San Diego Regional                           0.72    3.03    2.12    1.66
84    txsa         3      Regional       Alamo Regional                               0.70    3.03    2.32    1.76
85    tnkn         6      Regional       Smoky Moutains Regional                      0.70    2.46    1.78    1.38
86    marea        2      New England    Reading Event                                0.69    2.21    1.54    1.18
87    mndu         1      Regional       Lake Superior Regional                       0.68    2.52    1.91    1.55
88    okok         5      Regional       Oklahoma Regional                            0.67    2.24    1.82    1.51
89    mimid        4      Michigan       Great Lakes Bay Region Event                 0.67    2.21    1.49    1.10
90    miket        2      Michigan       Kettering University Event                   0.66    2.47    1.58    1.12
91    mnni2        6      Regional       Minnesota North Star Regional                0.66    2.84    2.01    1.57
92    txho         6      Regional       Lone Star Regional                           0.66    1.99    1.62    1.32
93    gadu         5      Regional       Peachtree Regional                           0.65    2.39    1.99    1.65
94    vari         4      Regional       Virginia Regional                            0.64    2.17    1.81    1.57
95    milan        6      Michigan       Lansing Event                                0.59    1.81    1.19    0.79
96    mibed        6      Michigan       Bedford Event                                0.58    0.73    0.50    0.50
97    nyny         3      Regional       New York City Regional                       0.57    2.10    1.76    1.44
98    abca         6      Regional       Western Canada Regional                      0.57    1.87    1.22    0.83
99    miesc        5      Michigan       Escanaba Event                               0.54    1.49    0.98    0.66
100   migul        3      Michigan       Gull Lake Event                              0.54    1.77    1.23    0.89
101   mxmc         2      Regional       Mexico City Regional                         0.53    1.58    1.12    0.88
102   ncre         4      Regional       North Carolina Regional                      0.50    1.88    1.52    1.17
103   mista        1      Michigan       Standish Event                               0.40    1.15    0.82    0.57
104   ausy         3      Regional       Australia Regional                           0.39    1.90    0.96    0.64
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Re: Strongest regional competitions

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Originally Posted by Abhishek R View Post
Personally, I want to see some kind of standardized z-score system that takes last year's OPRs of events and compares them with the mean score of that week of competition. Of course, all the qualms of OPR would apply, but I think it's a little more numerical and detailed compared to BBQ, and takes rankings to a minimal factor.
Before anybody allows themselves to read the following and experience angst over the obvious shortcomings of using imperfect past metrics to evaluate a team's performance, remember the following: this is just for fun.

I've been toying with concepts like this in my head as well. I'd like to create an index that tries to compare performance at different events more fairly, similar to the way baseball stats can adjust for things like park effects, league effects, different levels of offense in different years, and so on.

Rather than average OPR for the event, for evaluating replacement level I'd probably favor something like average OPR of teams 20-28 on the OPR list. And for evaluating the difficulty of winning the event, I'd probably look at the average OPR of the top 4-8 teams, or maybe even just the top 2-3.

It depends what one is looking for. If you want to know how hard an event is to WIN, then you mainly need to look at the strength of the top two teams other than your own team to know how high the bar is. If you want to gauge how hard it is to make the semifinals, on the other hand, you're probably looking at the strength of the top 10 or so teams, because you want to be in that group to have a good shot at getting on the top 5 or so alliances and avoid being the underdog in the quarterfinals.

I'm just spitballing here, but I think it might make sense to weight the value of an event win by average of the top ~3 teams, compared to the average of the top ~3 across ALL events. Then assign more or less value to a win based on how the event stacks up. And that's for 1st and 2nd robots on the alliance - I'd probably want to do something different for the 2nd pick or a backup robot. For finalists (robots 1+2) I'm probably looking at the average of robots ~3-5 compared to that average for all events. And so on. This has issues and it's a loose idea in my mind so far, but I think that would provide a bit more of a basis for comparing a team's win at Event A to another team's semifinalist finish at Event B.
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