2015 HINT DISCUSSION

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by Wyatt Jordan

Also for the 2001 game Diabolical Dynamics the subtitle was "Robots race against the clock" you're telling me none of the challenges before that had a time limit? How did they end? Can someone check this for me, did you have to score a certain amount to end the game?

In 2001, the faster you finished the match, the more points you got. I think this is what it means.

Originally Posted by Oblarg

Due to safety concerns, I can pretty much assure you this will never happen.

In 2003 (Stack Attack), human players walked onto the field for 10-seconds pre-match to set up stacks.

Edit: very ironically ninja'd just above.

[tStano]

Originally Posted by pandamonium

I am 99% positive the first part of the video was literally recycled. They played that exact video at championships!

Why would they do that?
A. To further emphasize Recycle
B. To fill time the length of the video 1 min is important

Thoughts?

I think the 1 min is important. I think the match length will be drastically changed. Maybe 1 min auto, maybe 1 minute match altogether. Although, match length changes all the time, just not very drastically...



Another unrelated thought. the game hints, in my expierience, correct me if I'm wrong usually get at the game that will be played, and not so much like the intricacies behind it(robot size, robot part restrictions, season length, game length, etc)...

[Short Stuff]

A big change that I can think of is either moving the autonomous period to the end of the match, or they will add an autonomous period at the end of the match in addition to the period at the beginning.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by Wyatt Jordan

Ok so I think the Hocky game holds some merit, its a big sport that FRC has overlooked, I mean we've had soccer and basketball, baseball is kind of overlooked because it's really just throwing a ball and Aim High was kind of that game.

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Also for the 2001 game Diabolical Dynamics the subtitle was "Robots race against the clock" you're telling me none of the challenges before that had a time limit? How did they end? Can someone check this for me, did you have to score a certain amount to end the game?

In 2001 only 1 "alliance" played at a time. The 4 robots had to work together to complete certain tasks (balancing goals on bridge, etc.), and when they were complete the match would end automatically. Teams would get point bonuses based on the time left on the clock. This is different than other years since teams WERE racing against the clock to get points.

As for hockey, 2009 had "ice" surface, and the idea of controlling a puck was used in 1999 Double Trouble. So FRC has actually had hockey games before.

[Saool]

In 2009 the regolith was white and was pretty reflective. In the end of the hint you can see the reflection of the floor and its clearly not white.(This is assuming he was standing on the playing field).

[Boe]

[maxwellt]

Originally Posted by matthewdenny

Does the rail look higher than usual?

It did seem that way remember how high the walls were for 2012 but they were not that high back then in the video the walls are just below his hips

[MichelB]

Just gonna point out that Obama's slogan was Change...maybe it has something to do with Obama, or the government. The government has three parts so maybe three alliances?

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by tStano

I think the 1 min is important. I think the match length will be drastically changed. Maybe 1 min auto, maybe 1 minute match altogether. Although, match length changes all the time, just not very drastically...

Another unrelated thought. the game hints, in my expierience, correct me if I'm wrong usually get at the game that will be played, and not so much like the intricacies behind it(robot size, robot part restrictions, season length, game length, etc)...

I think shortening matches would be going in the wrong direction because of the setup time. The shorter you make matches, the lower percentage of time you get to see any robots on the field.

2014 was nice in that regard. Fewer moving pieces led to short field reset times, so the extra 20 seconds of match time didn't make the events longer.

[Abhishek R]

To further support the autonomous endgame theory, the recycling symbol could be a sign of that, i.e moving the phases from one part to the other in rotation.

[Ginger Power]

1.75 1992
1.63 1993
2.09 1994
2.10 1995
2.18 1996
2.32 1997
2.19 1998
2.10 1999
2.43 2000
2.24 2001
2.30 2002
3.02 2003
2.20 2004
2.51 2005
2.59 2006
2.58 2007
2.41 2008
2.44 2009
2.67 2010
2.53 2011
3.01 2012
2.97 2013
2.89 2014

Here is a list of the the time in seconds each clip was shown during the video. Each was hand timed at least twice and averages were taken to ensure accuracy. I really find it interesting that 2003 as well as the 3 most recent games were distinctively longer than all the rest. Each was very near 3 seconds... do with that what you wish

What I think: I believe it could be a mashup of different aspects from each of the bolded games. Coopertition/Assisting/bins from 2003 etc. Hence recycling.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by maxwellt

It did seem that way remember how high the walls were for 2012 but they were not that high back then in the video the walls are just below his hips

It does look higher than normal.

You can also see a field marker reflected onto the wall behind the recycling bin. It looks as if the field may be split into 3 sections again.

[Brennan4256]

(real opinion) First loves the number 3. A three part logo etc. So i am also on this triangle bandwagon. whether that means "delta" in the name or triangle games pieces. The change may not be huge. I mean some of the changes they list are minor.

(false opinion) water molecule is the shape of a triangle-- thus a water game

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

Something that stood out to me was the recycling bin and the fact that safe zones were not mentioned as a game change. Have safe zones always been in the games because it seems like it is something that became popular in mostly the recent games except for 2014? If I had to go on a long shot, I would guess a version of stack attack but with safe zones so that stacking is actually the goal of the game.

[theawesome1730]

Did anyone else catch that the video is in 4:3 aspect ratio? FIRST has posted 16:9 videos for a while now. 4:3 could be a throwback to older games?