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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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The game is named Change. "Change" is coming. This was also Frank's audition tape to be the new movie promo voice over guy.
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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The game is named Change. "Change" is coming. This was also Frank's audition tape to be the new movie promo voice over guy.
And this is why game hints can be totally misleading.

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The more things change the more they stay the same !!
This puzzles me. Elaborate please on what you mean exactly?
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

A few theories that may be repeating a bit but:

1) The 97/99 in the video wasn't a simple "mistake". I can't imagine FIRST HQ letting that big of a slip-up go especially when they should know that the CD community will pick up on it immediately. The comment "Whoops" does feel a bit like a "Whoops, silly me, hint hint, cough cough". There may be something related to 97/99 this year.

2) I agree with those that are saying "change" is going to refer to Champs changing. If they are aiming for 540 - 600 teams, I think increasing the field number from 4 would make sense, which they would need at least 6 fields to keep it around 100 teams per.

3) Not sure they'll ever completely re-use a game without any major change (which kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?). I think what the recycle bin represents is FIRST recycling numerous past game elements into one game.

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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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The game is named Change. "Change" is coming. This was also Frank's audition tape to be the new movie promo voice over guy.
Or how about "Climate Change" of "Changing Climates" or any variation on this?
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

Maybe putting too much thought into the recycle bin. Maybe he's just throwing out the 2014 manual. If he put the manual in just a trash can that would be considered irresponsible to just throw out paper instead of recycling. So, maybe just emphasizing that the game will be totally different from last year.
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BUZZ THINKS

HOCKEY RELATED GAME
  1. Some thinks its hockey related due to size of one of the kit of parts box dimensions
  2. When I heard recycle, I googled hockey and recycle --> http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=706747 --> “NHL Green first launched the "Recycle the Game" program with non-profit Restore Hockey in 2012”.
  3. http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=18744 -- “As part of the League’s ongoing initiative with Restore Hockey, NHL Green asks all fans attending the 2013 NHL Draft to help us recycle the game!”
  4. Hockey teams change sides after each period -- NEW TO FIRST GAMES

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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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BUZZ THINKS

HOCKEY RELATED GAME
  1. Some thinks its hockey related due to size of one of the kit of parts box dimensions
  2. When I heard recycle, I googled hockey and recycle --> http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=706747 --> “NHL Green first launched the "Recycle the Game" program with non-profit Restore Hockey in 2012”.
  3. http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=18744 -- “As part of the League’s ongoing initiative with Restore Hockey, NHL Green asks all fans attending the 2013 NHL Draft to help us recycle the game!”
  4. Hockey teams change sides after each period -- NEW TO FIRST GAMES

Interesting thoughts. Don't agree with 3, because you can look up a lot of things with "recycle", but it provided some nice insight.
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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  1. When I heard recycle, I googled hockey and recycle --> http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=706747 --> “NHL Green first launched the "Recycle the Game" program with non-profit Restore Hockey in 2012”.
  2. http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=18744 -- “As part of the League’s ongoing initiative with Restore Hockey, NHL Green asks all fans attending the 2013 NHL Draft to help us recycle the game!”

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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

It seems like lots of people keep arguing that, if a game were to be reused heavily, that younger teams would not be at a disadvantage despite not experiencing the game that a new game is based on. I just can't see how this could possibly be the case.

The first reason stated is that with the proliferation of match video and team video archive online, any team should be able to go online and check out the mechanisms that worked in the past. Well, of course that is true, but there is a very distinct difference between quickly seeing a low quality video of a mechanism and actually remembering all the development process of it and what traps need to be avoided. You might even actually have your past CAD models of your own mechanisms, or the old robot! This is a huge advantage over any younger team who never did any of this.

Another argument is that, well, since you have to re-make you robot every year, those past mechanisms wont help anyway. I mean, lets look at drive trains for example. Teams develop over time designs that they like to use on their robot and may parallels can be drawn on the drive systems of teams year in and out. I'd reckon many of them do some CAD equivalent copy-and-pasting too.

Veteran teams are VETERANS. They have experience in FRC from their past years of competition. They will always have an advantage over very young teams, and making a game very similar to one in the past just heightens this advantage.

From previous years games its apparent that FIRST likes bringing up the rookies by providing easy scoring opportunities. 5 points for drive in auto for example. They want this to continue, so to reuse many game manipulation elements or game pieces are fundamentally not in their interest.

This game will be new in the physical realm, but I suspect the recycling will be of the rules and not the physical elements. He did recycle the manual after all, not a deflated excessive ball or Frisbee.
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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Recycling the 2014 game:

adding endgame
some other major change
perhaps, but there was only core gameplay included in the video, none of the endgames showed up in the footage. Maybe no endgame?
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

Marc Stollmeyer posted this in the YouTube comments, "Emphasis on robot size and weight increases, alliances including more robots, and a different field surface and shape. Also hinting that the majority of the rules are different from last year... (subtle hint that 1999 wasn't worth showing)

So we will have a new alliance system of robots that are bigger than we've seen before, competing on a non-carpet field that is a different size than previous years, and that bit in the end probably means that reading the rules is more important than ever. Its practically 1999 all over again."

Interesting...
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

Correct me if i'm wrong, but all of the possible changes mentioned in this post all of the changes he mentioned were covered in the video, except for bumper rules.

That, together with the discussion about the items that teams will recieve on the KOP, makes me believe something about the bumpers is going to change.
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

The hint means that, for the first time in 22 years, there won't be an FRC game.
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Re: 2015 HINT DISCUSSION

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Maybe putting too much thought into the recycle bin. Maybe he's just throwing out the 2014 manual. If he put the manual in just a trash can that would be considered irresponsible to just throw out paper instead of recycling. So, maybe just emphasizing that the game will be totally different from last year.
I tend to agree....although I don't think it's the game, as much as it is the rules. The old rule book is getting tossed into the bin, so we get to start with a completely different (hopefully much thinner) rulebook in 2015.
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