Time to include communications at each driver station?

[Tom Line]

In competitive online gaming, communications is paramount. As a tech oriented game, it seems like FRC is behind the curve when it comes to communication behind the driver station glass. We have Drive coaches that have to run between teams yelling, and driver teams that can't communicate with each other unless they take their eyes away from driving their robot.

I think we can look to the video gaming industry for a potential answer. What if we added some type of ventrilo / teamspeak or other servers to the field and give the laptops access to it through the driver station. Match it up with allowing bluetooth headsets that the team members can wear.

A lot of teams would probably look at it as a distraction, but it would be interesting to see if it would become useful over time and even more interesting what teams would do with it (voice controlled autonomous?).

Wireless communication with the human players could also unlock a new and interesting avenue.

[EricH]

That's kind of an interesting idea. If I was to make a suggestion...

Have it coaches-only, at least at first--the 3 coaches on the alliance all get a headset and talk to each other, with the option of keeping drivers' instruction "off-mike". But also give the refs (head ref or appropriate substitute) a mike-only interface, so that they can call a foul in straight to the coaches as the foul is dished out. Something like "Hey, Red, back off or get a pinning foul in 3... 2... 1... Tech foul!"

[MrTechCenter]

Originally Posted by EricH

That's kind of an interesting idea. If I was to make a suggestion...

Have it coaches-only, at least at first--the 3 coaches on the alliance all get a headset and talk to each other, with the option of keeping drivers' instruction "off-mike". But also give the refs (head ref or appropriate substitute) a mike-only interface, so that they can call a foul in straight to the coaches as the foul is dished out. Something like "Hey, Red, back off or get a pinning foul in 3... 2... 1... Tech foul!"

That sounds really cool! And then teams wouldn't have to worry about not being able to hear field personnel because they would have headsets too. As a drive coach, I've been wanting headsets FOREVER.

[Oblarg]

I've wanted headset communication between coaches and drivers for a very long time. It'd really make everything better.

[ttldomination]

Along this same line, it always intrigued me why off-the-field communication is discouraged.

As a spectator, I catch some things that I feel like my coaches don't catch. NASCAR has a communication network that includes coach, drivers, and the spotters.

I wonder if there's any particular reasoning behind this or if it's just because "this is how it's always been."

- Sunny G.

[Munchskull]

FIRST has to do this, it is so amazing. "Aerial Assist" would have been so much better if there was a mic system. Most importantly if the refs and the coaches had mics. What would the rules be of bring a mic system for your alliance to use? What if it used a bandwith that was allowed by FIRST?

[headlight]

Originally Posted by ttldomination

Along this same line, it always intrigued me why off-the-field communication is discouraged.

As a spectator, I catch some things that I feel like my coaches don't catch. NASCAR has a communication network that includes coach, drivers, and the spotters.

I wonder if there's any particular reasoning behind this or if it's just because "this is how it's always been."

- Sunny G.

I think it is to help try to even the playing field, not all teams have enough members to provide a spotting team. Also can you imagine people jockeying for ideal spotting locations in the stands, all the extra radio traffic, the different bleacher setups at each event that make spotting easier or harder... etc.

It would be awesome. But I don't think there is a way to implement fairly.


Does anyone know of any teams that have tried wired voice communication networks in the player station between the drivers and coach?

[Dunngeon]

Originally Posted by Munchskull

FIRST has to do this, it is so amazing. "Aerial Assist" would have been so much better if there was a mic system. Most importantly if the refs and the coaches had mics. What would the rules be of bring a mic system for your alliance to use? What if it used a bandwith that was allowed by FIRST?

A system like this would likely be wired, so it reduces the complexity on the teams side. Assuming each team brings their own headsets that is. In my opinion, perfect implementation of this system would be to have it all included with the field, and then have 3 jacks for headsets to go into at each station. The coaches jack would be marked, and have the ability to broadcast to other coaches or his drivers. Drivers would only be able to hear their specific coach, at least at first.

[Tom Line]

I know Kyle Hughes of team Rush (27) wears a speaker and microphone so she doesn't have to shout to her drivers, but I've never seen a wired system.

[Abhishek R]

Wow, that would be really cool! It would really bring alliance play to a whole new level.

If you've heard of Curse Voice, maybe something like that would be nice, you could call it FIRST Voice. It's essentially like a Ventrilo or TS server, but has some nice features towards the game.

This could be the start of heading towards a really sophisticated driver station (with HUDs and everyting, JARVIS anyone?).

[Munchskull]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

This could be the start of heading towards a really sophisticated driver station (with HUDs and everyting, JARVIS anyone?).

Oculus rift anyone?

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Tom Line

I know Kyle Hughes of team Rush (27) wears a speaker and microphone so she doesn't have to shout to her drivers, but I've never seen a wired system.

Kyle wears that to mitigate a medical condition; I wouldn't want to say more without her permission, and I don't know the specifics anyway.

Other than that, a team-supplied communication system would fall under non-allowed equipment that has been part of the rules for many years. Allowing it in this year's game would indeed be a "change" ...

[Munchskull]

What could we do to suggest to FIRST to add that feature?

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Munchskull

What could we do to suggest to FIRST to add that feature?

This thread has already done that. Frank will see it.

[dellagd]

I've thought about implementing things like this on my own team, and the possibility of having it between alliance partners in the past, and honestly I've always thought that it wouldn't help at all.

First of all, I've personally never had my drivers tell me that they can't hear me well nor have I seen the effects of this. These are loud events, so you talk loudly to your drivers. I don't know, there just isn't a problem with it. I mean you are right behind them the majority of the time (accounting for jumping over to say something to another team's coach).

That being said, if there were a communication device, I'd also have to be able to count on it 100%. As a coach, if I want to tell my partners something, I need to be absolutely sure that they are aware of what I told them. For this, generally I look for some sort of visual signal that they understood (like a thumbs up or a waive), I mean they're occupied with coaching their own team too. If I had a headset, I personally wouldn't feel really comfortable trusting it, and to be sure I'd probably want a 'roger' (or a QSL for those hams out there) confirmation. But I mean, people are going to forget to respond, and I really don't want to be in the position to nag another coach during a match.

Bottom line, communicating in person just feels like a more foolproof option. I already have 6 robots on the field I have to worry about, I don't want a radio (that I didn't even set up) to be on top of that.

That's my take on it. People can talk loudly, and your all only a few feet from each other. It's not broken, I don't need it fixed.