2015 HINT DISCUSSION

[Kingland093]

If that's true I'm sure Kinect/Cheezy Vision will become extremely useful

[pimathbrainiac]

Originally Posted by BryceKarlins

I personally don't see them moving autonomous to the end, but if they did, the challenge would either be positioning/loading your robot before the start of the aton. period, or designing your autonomous so that it works in any position on the field (compass and gps?).

or dead reckoning

[magnets]

Originally Posted by dellagd

2015 Kickoff broadcast (Open Captioned) is currently playing classical music, so the new game will have something to do with having robots play instruments, and the winner will be decided by applause level.

Currently, they're playing Gershwin's Rhapsody in blue, water is blue, water game confirmed.

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by indubitably

While 65 pages is a big departure from the 111 pages it had last year, I think most of the reduction will be due to formatting. The 2014 admin manual was 78 pages with 26,407 words and the 2015 admin manual is only 51 pages with 23,950 words. So 35% percent reduction in page size with only a 10% reduction in words.

Here is a quick comparison picture (new manual is on the left):

So all this excitement over a shorter game manual sums up to using a smaller font and less paragraph spacing ... and just when it was getting good

[bearbot]

Just wondering when was the last time only one hint was sent leading up to kickoff

[billylo]

Shifting autonomous to the end has an unique advantage from a tournament execution viewpoint.

It shortens pre-match setup time and gives the teams a different challenge than before.

It could work. Especially if the startup position is outside the main playing area. It saves a fair bit of time getting the next match going if the match queue has been "pre-loaded" with robots ready to go.

Imagine an official "On Deck Circle" for the next matches' robots on each side. No practice swings of course... :-)

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by bearbot

Just wondering when was the last time only one hint was sent leading up to kickoff

One could say in 2014, if you don't take into account the update ...

Original hint : 8234/57, 61126/1963, 62326/15806
Updated hint : 61474:135, 12661:1963, 32662:15806

Not much of a difference if you ask me, so I guess that the last time FIRST only gave us one hint prior to kickoff was last year ...

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by bearbot

Just wondering when was the last time only one hint was sent leading up to kickoff

Actually, this is usually the case. It is not the norm for there to be more than one game hint:

2015 (Kickoff Date: 1/3/15) = 1st Game Hint (12/22/14)
2014 (Kickoff Date: 1/4/14) = 1st Game Hint (12/20/13)
2013 (Kickoff Date: 1/5/13) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/12)
2012 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/12) = 1st Game Hint (12/02/11)
2011 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/11) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/10), 2nd Game Hint (1/4/11)
2010 (Kickoff Date: 1/9/10) = 1st Game Hint (12/24/09), 2nd Game Hint (1/6/10)
2009 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/09 ) = 1st Game Hint (12/4/08), 2nd Game Hint (12/11/08),
2008 (Kickoff Date: 1/12/08) = 1st Game Hint (12/15/07), 2nd Game Hint (12/21/07), 3rd Game Hint (1/02/08)
2007 (Kickoff Date: 1/13/07) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/06)
2006 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/06) = 1st Game Hint (12/23/05)
2005 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/05) = 1st Game Hint (12/30/04)
2004 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/04) = 1st Game Hint (1/6/04)

Out of the past 12 years (including 2015), there has only been more than one game hint 4 times, or 1/3rd of the time.

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by Hallry

Actually, this is usually the case. It is not the norm for there to be more than one game hint:
[...]
2014 (Kickoff Date: 1/4/14) = 1st Game Hint (12/20/13)
[...]
Out of the past 12 years (including 2015), there has only been more than one game hint 4 times, or 1/3rd of the time.

What I'm wondering is if we can count 2014's hint as a single one since there was an update that was released not too long after to supposedly make it easier for all of us to understand ...

Originally Posted by alexander.h

Original hint : 8234/57, 61126/1963, 62326/15806
Updated hint : 61474:135, 12661:1963, 32662:15806

They weren't exactly the same, but they were almost the same, so : one hint or two in 2014?

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by alexander.h

What I'm wondering is if we can count 2014's hint as a single one since there was an update that was released not too long after to supposedly make it easier for all of us to understand ...

They weren't exactly the same, but they were almost the same, so : one hint or two in 2014?

I count it as one. According to Frank, "We did, however, on double checking, find that the first set of numbers in the hint contained a potential error, or at least data we can't verify at this point. We aren’t saying it’s wrong, we’re just not 100% sure it’s right. So maybe we should have spent a little more time on this one! Sorry about that. As compensation, we're replacing that set of numbers with a new set that should get you to the same answer. We've also reformatted some of the numbers to hopefully make them a little more familiar." Thus, the original hint that they gave was possibly incorrect, so they simply edited the hint to ensure that the data was right. One hint.

But, this is getting off-track, back to the 2015 hint...

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I count it as one. [...] Thus, the original hint that they gave was possibly incorrect, so they simply edited the hint to ensure that the data was right. One hint.

I'll give that one to you ... anyways, back to 2015! 17 hours 'till kickoff to see if any of us succeeded in deciphering the code!

[mrmummert]

Woodie gave a hint...."Man who wait for roast duck to fly into mouth wait a long time"...we're gonna throw roasted ducks at human players" (that or a rubber chicken)

My kickoff event is tomorrow at Georgia Tech, but I predict that 2015's game will include water, spheroid-looking objects, and some surprise element.

They can't, shouldn't, and hopefully wont redo last year's game. Everyone would just use their last robot with a few modifications and that would be that. If they do Aerial Assist again, they might as well have Worlds in January.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Roar1261

They can't, shouldn't, and hopefully wont redo last year's game. Everyone would just use their last robot with a few modifications and that would be that. If they do Aerial Assist again, they might as well have Worlds in January.

Unless they have an endgame that requires something extra...