The Noodle Agreement

[Chinmay]

Originally Posted by Bongle

Coopertition is 40pts for a stack [1.1, table 1-2]


1.1, just under table 1-2

Thanks! I was looking at section 5 trying to find a rule specific to elims

[Jonathan Norris]

Reading through the rules this came up as a HUGE red flag for me... With how eliminations are structured this year, teams can game this system to try and knock off the top alliances in the quarters/semis, 40 points for noodles on the ground is very substantial. The lower/middle tier alliances can stick to the noodle agreement when playing each other, but not against the top alliance or two. I can see a situation where the middle alliances have a massive advantage in this playoff format.

Unfortunately this game gives too much power to the opposing alliance to prevent coopertition scoring, its almost human nature to try and help the underdog teams rank higher then powerhouse teams, there are 80 potential coopertition points to be denied by not cooperating (not sharing a yellow tote for coopertition stacks, and the noodle agreement). As much as this game tries not to be a competition, there is still a winner.

[Verrazano]

Even though it seems like a prisoners dilemma I don't think it is. If alliances say they will do the noodle agreement. And then one team/alliance doesn't then I think there will be serious repercussions, people would stop doing the noodle agreement with them meaning they wouldn't get their 40 points after the screwed another alliance. Also who would want to pick a team like that for elims? My team puts a lot of weight on how our teams work together when picking an alliance partner. Why would you pick a team that doesn't listen or lies.

[Jhalasz]

Originally Posted by Chinmay

im interested to see how this and how coopertition works in elims

I don't see this working out in eliminations... too cut-throat

[jblay]

My initial thoughts on how to make this work. You agree to the noodle agreement with the terms that you throw one noodle at a time. Alliance a throws one noodle and then alliance b throws another and back and forth. If one alliance stops, so does the other.

I really hope first gives an update that makes this not okay somehow.

[Chinmay]

Originally Posted by jblay

I really hope first gives an update that makes this not okay somehow.

Any thoughts on how they would hypothetically make it work? I'm struggling to come up with a solution that works... even if they were to hypothetically introduce red and blue noodles that are alliance specific

[JosephC]

Agreeing to the noodle agreement and then not following through would have serious repercussions. Not only would people not want to do the noodle agreement with you, but the teams you broke the deal with could very well be in picking positions. I know for sure I'd be crossing that team off my picklist no matter how good they were.

Coupled with the fact that if you want to break the disagreement, you have to convince your other alliance members as well, I don't think we'll see very many teams breaking this agreement.

[Dival]

Originally Posted by Chinmay

Any thoughts on how they would hypothetically make it work? I'm struggling to come up with a solution that works... even if they were to hypothetically introduce red and blue noodles that are alliance specific

They can prohibit strategic throwing of a pool noodle above the wall and into your zone.
Or something similar, shouldn't be too hard...

[Jonathan Norris]

Originally Posted by jblay

My initial thoughts on how to make this work. You agree to the noodle agreement with the terms that you throw one noodle at a time. Alliance a throws one noodle and then alliance b throws another and back and forth. If one alliance stops, so does the other.

I really hope first gives an update that makes this not okay somehow.

The amazing thing is that you don't even need to throw the noodles far, just plop them on the ground infront of the HP station, no robot interaction or human effort required. Because you can "throw" the noodles, you could just take all 10 and dump them over the wall at the last second of the match, BOOM 40 points each.

[Skyehawk]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris

The amazing thing is that you don't even need to throw the noodles, just plop them on the ground infront of the HP station, no robot interaction or human effort required. Because you can "throw" the litter, you could just take all 10 and dump them over the wall at the last second of the match, BOOM 40 points each.

Only if you have trust in the other team though... one at a time in the last 10 seconds might be the safer way to go about it. As a human player for 2 years it is against my nature just to give the other team points like that. It's just such a difficult dilemma.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris

The amazing thing is that you don't even need to throw the noodles, just plop them on the ground infront of the HP station, no robot interaction or human effort required. Because you can "throw" the noodles, you could just take all 10 and dump them over the wall at the last second of the match, BOOM 40 points each.

At a cost of a foul per noodle in the final 20 seconds of the game (G33). Plus 40 points, minus 60 points. Oops.

[Chinmay]

Originally Posted by Dival

They can prohibit strategic throwing of a pool noodle above the wall and into your zone.
Or something similar, shouldn't be too hard...

What if I'm "trying" to throw them into their side? I foresee lots of noodles falling into the same zone as the team trying to throw across the centerline.

this is why im having trouble thinking of a way to restrict this action

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris

The amazing thing is that you don't even need to throw the noodles far, just plop them on the ground infront of the HP station, no robot interaction or human effort required. Because you can "throw" the noodles, you could just take all 10 and dump them over the wall at the last second of the match, BOOM 40 points each.

Noodles can not be thrown in the last 20 seconds of a match, G33.

[EricH]

Sorry, Jonathan, that's at the 21-second mark--nothing over the wall after 20 seconds remaining.

I mentioned this to some of our other mentors. Here's my take:

I don't care--particularly--if a team decides that they will accept every offer of a Noodle Agreement or decline every offer of a Noodle Agreement, or decide on a case-by-case basis. What I care about is that if a team accepts an offer, they need to follow through. If a team declines an offer, they need to make that clear from the outset.

Long story short, whatever your stance, make it clear and stick to it. Do NOT backstab your opponents. Do NOT backstab your partners. They'll both thank you later.

[Skyehawk]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

At a cost of a foul per noodle in the final 20 seconds of the game (G33). Plus 40 points, minus 60 points. Oops.

Yeah, it would have to be through the chute. The last 20 seconds are off limits for human players to introduce noodles OVER the wall.