Humans Stacking Crates

[Greger]

Mineboy2300: If I understand your strategy to mean that yellow totes are stacked and placed by human players on the field below the chute, then I believe G13 and by extension Section 3.1.4: Match Logistics prohibits this approach. You have two options, leave your totes on the field in the staging zone or remove the yellow tote from the field and place it in the designated starting position of the alliance station.

"However, if a DRIVE TEAM elects to leave their Yellow TOTE in the STAGING ZONE, they must leave it as positioned by the FIELD STAFF." Also, from the blue block below Figure 3-7. "There are no rules that prohibit a ROBOT from being in contact with TOTES or RECYCLING CONTAINERS at the start of the MATCH, as long as those items were not moved from their STAGING ZONE..."

[BenBraun3090]

Originally Posted by Greger

Mineboy2300: If I understand your strategy to mean that yellow totes are stacked and placed by human players on the field below the chute, then I believe G13 and by extension Section 3.1.4: Match Logistics prohibits this approach. You have two options, leave your totes on the field in the staging zone or remove the yellow tote from the field and place it in the designated starting position of the alliance station.

"However, if a DRIVE TEAM elects to leave their Yellow TOTE in the STAGING ZONE, they must leave it as positioned by the FIELD STAFF." Also, from the blue block below Figure 3-7. "There are no rules that prohibit a ROBOT from being in contact with TOTES or RECYCLING CONTAINERS at the start of the MATCH, as long as those items were not moved from their STAGING ZONE..."

I think that they have been talking about the grey totes during Teleop, not the Yellow totes during Auto

[Greger]

Thanks BenBraun3090! My bad, carry on!

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Aur0r4

We had several students and mentors at the live kickoff and full field at SNHU. They ran a good 30 iterations of releasing the totes through the human player chute and said that not one single time would they land on their top/bottom. The angle of the chute virtually guarantees that the totes land on any side but a stackable one.

That's odd. In the official Field Tour videos, it seems like the tote easily landed top-side-up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sryrCE4mAo#t=133

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Hallry

That's odd. In the official Field Tour videos, it seems like the tote easily landed top-side-up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sryrCE4mAo#t=133

I was the one doing said tests on the field in Manchester. Everytime we did it, the bin ended up staying on its side. Something for every team to test on their own I think.

[MrBasse]

Our students found that if you opened the door quickly the tote landed flat on the ground. Any hesitation at all resulted in a tipped over tote.

[Hallry]

Does anyone have video of their team testing their different techniques on the Kickoff fields?

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by MrBasse

Our students found that if you opened the door quickly the tote landed flat on the ground. Any hesitation at all resulted in a tipped over tote.

This is an interesting point. I can't say I remember if I was hesitating or not. We'll do some more testing once we have a human player station built.

[aldaeron]

Can someone that has built a loader station (or saw a real one at kickoff) comment on how fast a reasonable human player can load totes onto the field/robot? I assume they have a nice stack right next to the loader. Please let us know if there is a reason to go fast or slow to get it to fall best on the ground.

Thanks!

-matto-

[ehochstein]

Originally Posted by aldaeron

Can someone that has built a loader station (or saw a real one at kickoff) comment on how fast a reasonable human player can load totes onto the field/robot? I assume they have a nice stack right next to the loader. Please let us know if there is a reason to go fast or slow to get it to fall best on the ground.

Thanks!

-matto-

I'll try and get a video made tomorrow addressing this. We have a couple of other videos in the queue (namely one about upside-down crates) and a couple of critical robot items that need to get done but I should be able to delegate. I'll post the video here when it is finished.

Evan

[TylerStaudigel]

The totes can be stacked if aided by a robot. During our tests we found that the totes most likely will no land bottom down, but if we place a solid object (such as a robot) a few feet in front of the chute we found that It can reliably stack two totes to be transported.

[akgsteelers]

I believe this rule is stating that a human player is not able to open the chute, while still holding onto the tote, therefore being able to place the tote however he/she wants onto the field.

[StephenNutt]

I'd like to know how quickly a human player can safely put 6 totes through the chute (assuming the robot is capable of moving the totes out of the way fast enough to keep the chute exit clear - say a conveyer belt). Has anyone built the human player station and able to time this? An approximate time is good enough - are we talking 10 seconds, 15?

Thanks

Steve

[Bruceb]

so G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously..

please not the word SINGLE.
There are 3 HP's and only 2 alliance stations.
Can one HP open the door while the second HP pushes the bin through?
Or for that matter can one HP hold the door open while the second does a continuous feed or some version of that?

[pntbll1313]

Originally Posted by Bruceb

so G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously..

please not the word SINGLE.
There are 3 HP's and only 2 alliance stations.
Can one HP open the door while the second HP pushes the bin through?
Or for that matter can one HP hold the door open while the second does a continuous feed or some version of that?

As long as you are sure that only 1 Human player is actually located in the zone.

G5 Only one ALLIANCE member may be in each HUMAN PLAYER ZONE at a time.
VIOLATION: FOUL. Additional FOUL for each TOTE entered onto the FIELD while in violation of this rule.