2015 Recycle Rush Scoring

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by clinton

Can you move the recycle bin to the human player station and insert the noodle that way?

I have not seen a rule indicating a "scoring order" (IE tote has to be on platform before recycling container can be placed on tote, ditto for recycling container & noodle.). Further testing as to whether your HP can accurately and quickly get a pool noodle through a hole into the recycling container without breaking the plane of the field will be up to your team.

[Christopher149]

Originally Posted by clinton

Can you move the recycle bin to the human player station and insert the noodle that way?

Originally Posted by Tim Sharp

I was thinking the same thing. I haven't seen any rules against it.

I was also thinking that. So long as your hand does not enter the field, I have not identified a rule disallowing it.

[jajabinx124]

Our team also found this idea attractive(Loading the litter in the Recycling container through the HP station). The only tough part would be to make sure the Litter could get onto the Recycling container without falling off through the chute. This strategy could eliminate the need to pickup litters off the ground although a backup ability would be nice.

[MrTechCenter]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

Our team also found this idea attractive(Loading the litter in the Recycling container through the HP station). The only tough part would be to make sure the Litter could get onto the Recycling container without falling off through the chute. This strategy could eliminate the need to pickup litters off the ground although a backup ability would be nice.

We did some testing with it today, and considering how much the pool noodles bend, it's not that difficult. And it's even easier if a robot is holding the can up off the ground.

[fenster]

This is what I got for max score: 508. Where did I go wrong? It seems like everyone else got different totals. Let me know, I want to know my mistakes.

[grainne]

Originally Posted by 216Robochick288

Im trying to figure out the wording on the auton. Can you move the grey bins in auton? I havnt found a rule about it, I dont think it was mentioned. Does the 20 stacked bin mean if you had 3 on the scoring spot, 2 stacked one not you would have 2x20 plus 1x6?


EDIT: Im looking but havnt found anything about it yet

yes you can move the grey bins in auto, but it doesn't count towards auto points, it is just a head start on teleop things so it would only be really good I guess if you wanted to get that head start or if someone else on your alliance had the auto under control.

and the 20 points for a stacked set in auto would be if you got all 3 of the yellow totes stacked in the zone. The auto points are all really based on an all or nothing idea, which is a little annoying bc you either have to rely on your alliance partners to have a certain extent of skills or you have to do everything yourself.

[Vanderlavanski]

Originally Posted by fenster

This is what I got for max score: 508. Where did I go wrong? It seems like everyone else got different totals. Let me know, I want to know my mistakes.

There are ten (10) RECYCLING CONTAINERS on the FIELD at the start of the MATCH.
Each team only has access to seven of these totes, not eight. This also changes the unprocessed litter score.

The max unprocessed litter is now 13, since other litter will be used in the first seven stacks.

Awesome pic and nice charts, by the way.

Edit: Under total you have "7 (all) used". You have the numbers right, just accidentally went to Stack 8 on the chart above it.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by MrTechCenter

We did some testing with it today, and considering how much the pool noodles bend, it's not that difficult. And it's even easier if a robot is holding the can up off the ground.

I think scoring litter through the HP station was FIRST's intent. It is so much simpler to do that than to have the robot pick up pool noodles, and I don't think FIRST expects teams to manipulate all 3 game pieces with their robot.

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

I think scoring litter through the HP station was FIRST's intent. It is so much simpler to do that than to have the robot pick up pool noodles, and I don't think FIRST expects teams to manipulate all 3 game pieces with their robot.

Agreed. I can only imagine the difficulty of creating a universal mechanism for lifting up/stacking totes, containers, and litter.

[fenster]

Originally Posted by Vanderlavanski

There are ten (10) RECYCLING CONTAINERS on the FIELD at the start of the MATCH.
Each team only has access to seven of these totes, not eight. This also changes the unprocessed litter score.

The max unprocessed litter is now 13, since other litter will be used in the first seven stacks.

Awesome pic and nice charts, by the way.

Edit: Under total you have "7 (all) used". You have the numbers right, just accidentally went to Stack 8 on the chart above it.

That 14 was just a typo. That mini chart on the bottom left still only counts 13 (52 points). Does that mean that 508 is the actual top score?

Edit: I lied, I am counting 4 extra points it seems. That brings it down to 504

[Vanderlavanski]

Originally Posted by fenster

I am counting 4 extra points it seems. That brings it down to 504

You still have to subtract 30 points from adding one too many containers.

42 * 7 + 4 * 12 + 8 = 350
350 + 32 + 40 + 52 = 474

350 for the stacks, 32 for auton, 40 for 4 yellow tubs on step and 52 for 13 unprocessed litter.

[fenster]

Originally Posted by Vanderlavanski

You still have to subtract 30 points from adding one too many containers.

42 * 7 + 4 * 12 + 8 = 350
350 + 32 + 40 + 52 = 474

350 for the stacks, 32 for auton, 40 for 4 yellow tubs on step and 52 for 13 unprocessed litter.

Oh whoops! Didnt even see that. I still get a total of 478 after double checking everything, though. Heres my (hopefully final) result
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EDIT: Youre right. I put 12 points for the stack of 4, not 8. Late night isn't usually for accuracy. Actual picture:

[Grim Tuesday]

I believe it is possible to score more than one container set in autonomous. There are four containers on the step, and a container set is three containers. Take three from the step to make another set in addition to the three you start with.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

I believe it is possible to score more than one container set in autonomous. There are four containers on the step, and a container set is three containers. Take three from the step to make another set in addition to the three you start with.

You're reaching over how many totes to do that?

[pimathbrainiac]

The thing is that with the bin (and no noodle), it effectively makes each gray tote worth 6 points. It doesn't really matter how high the individual stacks are. It matters how many bins you put on the stacks. So if you get all 7 bins you can get on as tall stacks as you can get and still get all 7 bins on, you get a really high score, but that is highly improbable if not impossible. My thoughts are stacks of 2 - 3 totes and a recycle bin (with or without the noodle, your choice, your robot) will maximize efficiency and eventually points. If you have 4 stacks of 2 totes and a recycle bin, you get 12 points per stack, or 48 points (not including the noodle), which is a feasible amount within the time limit. If you have a stack of 4 totes and a recycle bin, you might get two complete stacks in, but the added challenge and pressure of having taller stacks means more mistakes can be made and more time can be lost. If you have two stacks of 4 totes, and only one bin on one stack, you get 32 points, significantly less than the smaller, easier stacks with bins on them.

And those are my two cents.