The Noodle Agreement

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by EricH

I meant if the agreement was in place--defense focused in on the ramp.

That match there was no agreement...and there was too many point rewarded for the endgame that year. The stacking hardly mattered.

[jvriezen]

Didn't read all of this, but I see the suggestion of using Red/Blue noodles was suggested but I agree, that won't happen, due to the fact the green ones are likely already ordered. However, a couple wraps of blue/red electrical tape around the center of the noodle would color code them just fine, at relatively low cost.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

2003 had quite alot of defense being played.

He's referring to the collusion debates that circled in 2003, where alliances agreed not to knock over each others' stacks in order to mutually increase their qualifying scores in that year's ranking system.

[Mrjcowman]

Originally Posted by Sparkyshires

While that sounds good, the probably is that this is FRC, not FLL. While I love FIRST's impact on younger kids to make them try and want to do good in the world when they grow up and inspire them from a young age, that has never been FRC's goal. FRC has always been through and through, a competition where gracious professionalism and advancing STEM in the community is the most important. We have never had a themed game, because as rude as this may sound, it's childish. We are big boys and girls and deserve a big game to get hype about. The moment they start unbalancing the score points, (or have to rebalance everything after kickoff which would be a nightmare) - which anyone who plays league of legends knows that such a major score change would cause havoc among everything else - just to send the same message that it's bad to litter, is the moment that FRC has lost it's way in my opinion. FRC is not going to get popular in the community through games named stuff like "recycle rush"

That may be. I agree, it's a little childish and not the most exciting idea for a game name they've had, but the fact of the matter is, it's not subject to change, so there's no use in complaining about it or debating its merit. Rather, we should focus on turning the game into an exciting one, which doesn't exactly happen if every team just dumps a bunch of game pieces on the ground and leaves them there. If the point value for processed and unprocessed litter was switched, it wouldn't affect the point balance so much, except perhaps making it more worth your while to move the litter than leave it lying around. If you don't want to look at it from a moral standpoint, at least look at it from a game standpoint: 20 game pieces would suddenly be moving and having purpose rather than sitting around like rubble.

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by grainne

Actually, there is no need to even drop the noodles into the playing field. Noodles in the bin in the drivers station area count as unscored so would therefore count for the other team. So both teams could just agree to leave all their noodles in their bin rather than making a clutter.

Read the rules again, and look at the Figure that deals with unprocessed Litter, look below the Figure diagram marked A~F, then read that Litter that stays in the Drum, is not considered Unprocessed Litter as it is not on the field. No Points for either alliance according to that rule for Litter in the drum "F" on the diagram.

Still that Figure diagram & rules still does not deal w/ Litter still in human player hands or zones and not in the drum, up to 4 Human Players at a time possibly possessing Litter (when the end of the match buzzer sounds, or half entered into the field or not).

Isn't LITTER always a huge problem? Why should it be any different in this game, than in the real world? Answer; It isn't.

[Lij2015]

To FIRST: In order to stop this, make the non landfill litter count as -2 for the side it is on and + 2 for the opponent.

-Sincerely, The guy who will have to use all of his will-power not to screw other alliances in eliminations with this.

[dellagd]

The problem with this is the sheer power it holds. Regardless of my moral views on TNA, I want to rank well in the system. Really well. And likely, 40 points per match will be a huge difference in the system.

If we could get everyone in FRC to agree not to do it (you know... like some rule...) then all would be good. There would be no issue. But if its not illegal, then teams that utilize this will likely be at a huge advantage to teams that do not. Or rather, teams who choose not to will be at a huge disadvantage. Regardless of the gameplay involved, there's no way I am going to place my team at a large disadvantage if I can avoid it legally. That's pretty much all there is to it to me, so if that means participating in TNA, you bet you bot I will.

And yeah, FIRST, to avoid this, just neutralize the # of litter on each side by subtracting the smaller or equal number from the larger and award the points to the correct alliance. Done.

[alexander.h]

G24 :
ROBOTS may not cause TOTES, RECYCLING CONTAINERS, and/or LITTER to completely transfer from their side of the FIELD,
or from the STEP, onto the opposite side of the FIELD.
VIOLATION: FOUL. If egregious or strategic, RED CARD and offending ROBOT will be DISABLED.

According to G24 (and this, hoping that no modifications will be brought to the dilemma presented by the Noodle Agreement), if we throw noodles to the opposite side, and this is being strategic (as mentioned in the rule), there will be a foul in the beginning, but then a red card will be given and the robot will possibly be disabled as well. How is this advantageous to us?

By the way, I apologize if this was already mentioned and answered, but I admit that I didn't have enough time to read all the posts.

[Rhelik]

Originally Posted by alexander.h

According to G24 (and this, hoping that no modifications will be brought to the dilemma presented by the Noodle Agreement), if we throw noodles to the opposite side, and this is being strategic (as mentioned in the rule), there will be a foul in the beginning, but then a red card will be given and the robot will possibly be disabled as well. How is this advantageous to us?

By the way, I apologize if this was already mentioned and answered, but I admit that I didn't have enough time to read all the posts.

Alexander. G24 applies to the Robot and not the Human Player. The Human Player is free to throw the noodle onto the field any distance possible.

-Bernie

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by Rhelik

Alexander. G24 applies to the Robot and not the Human Player. The Human Player is free to throw the noodle onto the field any distance possible.

-Bernie

Oh, I get it now. Thanks for the clarification!

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by Rhelik

Alexander. G24 applies to the Robot and not the Human Player. The Human Player is free to throw the noodle onto the field any distance possible.

-Bernie

Wait. If you say that G24 doesn't apply to the Human Player, then, in theory, would it be possible to throw totes to knock down the opposing team's stacks? I know this might not be the best sportsmanship ever, but is it possible? Thanks!

[alexander.h]

Originally Posted by alexander.h

Wait. If you say that G24 doesn't apply to the Human Player, then, in theory, would it be possible to throw totes to knock down the opposing team's stacks? I know this might not be the best sportsmanship ever, but is it possible? Thanks!

Never mind.

G34 :
TOTES may only be introduced to the FIELD through the TOTE CHUTE.
VIOLATION: FOUL per TOTE.

Gotta read that manual ...

[The_ShamWOW88]

Originally Posted by alexander.h

Wait. If you say that G24 doesn't apply to the Human Player, then, in theory, would it be possible to throw totes to knock down the opposing team's stacks? I know this might not be the best sportsmanship ever, but is it possible? Thanks!

G34 - Totes may only be entered into the field through the Tote Chute.

So no, HP's can not throw totes over the wall which would be highly dangerous in its own right.

[Sparkyshires]

Originally Posted by The_ShamWOW88

G34 - Totes may only be entered into the field through the Tote Chute.

So no, HP's can not throw totes over the wall which would be highly dangerous in its own right.

however, if you threw a noodle over and knocked over a stack, would that be illegal?

nevermind the fact that would be highly impossible.

[scca229]

Originally Posted by alexander.h

According to G24 (and this, hoping that no modifications will be brought to the dilemma presented by the Noodle Agreement), if we throw noodles to the opposite side, and this is being strategic (as mentioned in the rule), there will be a foul in the beginning, but then a red card will be given and the robot will possibly be disabled as well. How is this advantageous to us?

By the way, I apologize if this was already mentioned and answered, but I admit that I didn't have enough time to read all the posts.

That rule is for ROBOTs, not Human Players. Once the Litter is on the field, it is stuck to the Alliance it lands on. It cannot be moved out of that Alliance zone, either to the other Alliance or off the field, per rule. It has to either be processed into that Alliance's Land Fill (+1 point), into a Recycling Bin (+6 points), or left unprocessed (+4 points for other Alliance).

Edit: Yeesh. That'll teach me to leave a thread open without realizing before replying....