2015: The Next Year of OPR?

[Bongle]

Originally Posted by TDav540

I don't think many human players will be able to consistently throw the noodles far enough to score points for their team, no more than three noodles across per match.

If your human player spends 2 months practicing 15-30 minutes a day throwing noodles (a fraction of an average meeting), you'll be able to get them wherever you want them all match long. Especially if your opponent's HP is poor, you might get more than 40 points from noodles.

Plus, there's the noodle agreement to consider. OPR won't have knowledge of whether 40pts came from voluntary dumping of noodles.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by Bongle

If your human player spends 2 months practicing 15-30 minutes a day throwing noodles (a fraction of an average meeting), you'll be able to get them wherever you want them all match long. Especially if your opponent's HP is poor, you might get more than 40 points from noodles..

Great, all we need is another year where the human player scores more points than the average robot can.

[Bongle]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Great, all we need is another year where the human player scores more points than the average robot can.

Not saying I agree with it, but it is certainly do-able. The person-hours time investment (1 person focusing entirely on tossing noodles accurately) is much less than it takes to add 40pts/match to your robot's scoring capabilities.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by Bongle

Not saying I agree with it, but it is certainly do-able. The person-hours time investment (1 person focusing entirely on tossing noodles accurately) is much less than it takes to add 40pts/match to your robot's scoring capabilities.

Yup, I didn't mean to say that you were, sorry. I just don't like that possibility, because 40 points is such a sizable value.

[dellagd]

I would be skeptical of OPR this year. While the game appears 'separable' (as is needed for good OPR correlation to manual scouting), it really isn't very much, if at all.

For starters, lets look at auton. Assuming most* teams will not be able to take all three containers or totes with them into the Auto zone, then getting any score at all in auton relies on your partner's help completely.

Onto teleop, lets say you're a robot that just stacks totes. Some matches you have not much help, and pretty much just stack totes. You get X amount of points for that match. Now you happen to be paired with a robot that tops all of your stacks with containers and effectively triples their value to 3X. The score for that match was completely dependent on the combination of having a robot that could make tote stacks and a robot that could top them with containers. So does that mean that other robot is twice as valuable as you?

The effect if much easier to see on the container stacking bot. When he was with you, he had very tall stacks to top off, effectively adding BIG points to the match score. But what if he isn't paired with any tote stacking robots? He probably contributes close to 0 points.

In a good OPR game, the score an alliance can produce should be the same if they all compete together on one field or if they all compete separately on three different fields by themselves and then total their individual scores up. As apposed to something more like 2013, this game is not like that in the slightest.

*This is really anyone's guess now, as it is every year.