Odd Autonomous Rules

[Canon reeves]

I have reviewed the autonomous rules over and over and something strikes me as being odd.
3.1.2.1 AUTO
During AUTO, points are awarded for ROBOT SETS, TOTE SETS, CONTAINER SETS, and STACKED TOTE SETS. A ROBOT SET
occurs when all ROBOTS on an ALLIANCE move themselves to, and are fully contained by, their AUTO ZONE at the end of AUTO.

A TOTE SET exists if all three (3) Yellow TOTES from an ALLIANCE are fully contained by the AUTO ZONE, but do not meet the
requirements of a STACKED TOTE SET, at the end of AUTO.
A CONTAINER SET exists if any three (3) RECYCLING CONTAINERS are fully contained by the AUTO ZONE at the end of AUTO.

As for scoring, a tote set is 6 points, while a container set is 8.

So if a robot only pushes one tote to the auto zone, would the not receive any points since not all three are in the auto zone? And is each container placed in the auto zone worth 8 points, or does your alliance receive 8 points as long as one container is in the auto zone? If you received 8 points per container in auto zone, wouldn't that be heavily prioritizing the containers if three totes was worth 6, while three containers were worth 18? I feel as if it could be implying that each tote is worth two points, but it says points are awarded for tote sets, and tote sets is defined above. This being said, I am afraid that if it requires all three totes in the auto zone, it would make it a lot harder for simple box on wheels bots to score in auto other than the moving in a robot set, especially in qualification rounds when not all robots will be able to move in auto?

[cmrnpizzo14]

Correct, this year is more of an all or nothing autonomous point system.

[jijiglobe]

You get 6 points if and only if all 3 yellow totes are in the auto zone at the end of auto. The same goes for Container and Robot sets. In my mind this rule is clearly geared towards teams helping rookie box bots make a basic auto for mobility or to push game objects without actually forcing teams to do it.

[Canon reeves]

Originally Posted by jijiglobe

You get 6 points if and only if all 3 yellow totes are in the auto zone at the end of auto. The same goes for Container and Robot sets. In my mind this rule is clearly geared towards teams helping rookie box bots make a basic auto for mobility or to push game objects without actually forcing teams to do it.

It says a CONTAINER SET is when any recycling container is in the autozone, which is causing the main part of my confusion. Can you get multiple container sets since there are multiple Recycling Containers?

[alopex_rex]

The reason it says "all three" totes and "any three" recycling containers is because there are only three totes on your side of the field, while there are seven recycling containers you can (in theory) use: three next to the yellow totes and four on the step. So it says "any three" to indicate you get the points as long as there are at least three containers in the auto zone, but they don't have to be the three that start out next to the totes. In practice I highly doubt that the containers on the step will ever be use in autonomous, but because they are there the rules can't say "all three" recycling containers and have it make sense.

The scoring for recycling containers and totes works the same way: if you have three in the auto zone, you get the points (8 or 6).

[Iaquinto.Joe]

You are allowed to start the match between the auto zone and landfill zone. This would be the ideal location to attempt to grab one or more recycling cans from the step during autonomous and move it into the auto zone.

[Cyan]

I believe you are right, a total of 2 CONTAINER SETs should be possible in autonomous.
Remember that there are 3 CONTAINERs in each alliance zone, as well as 4 CONTAINERs on the step in the middle, for a maximum of 7 possible CONTAINERs for each side. This would mean that dragging the 3 CONTAINERs in your zone would be one CONTAINER SET, and dragging 3 containers from the step to the auto zone would be another. This would mean a total of 8 x 2 = 16 points could be accumulated from containers.

When I first saw the game, I had already thought that the alliance who first grabbed the CONTAINERs on the step would have a decent headstart. This is why I wanted my team to create an autonomous that would claim the game elements in the center for that extra point potential.

[Canon reeves]

Originally Posted by alopex_rex

The reason it says "all three" totes and "any three" recycling containers is because there are only three totes on your side of the field, while there are seven recycling containers you can (in theory) use: three next to the yellow totes and four on the step. So it says "any three" to indicate you get the points as long as there are at least three containers in the auto zone, but they don't have to be the three that start out next to the totes. In practice I highly doubt that the containers on the step will ever be use in autonomous, but because they are there the rules can't say "all three" recycling containers and have it make sense.

The scoring for recycling containers and totes works the same way: if you have three in the auto zone, you get the points (8 or 6).

That makes more sense, thank you.

[Canon reeves]

Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe

You are allowed to start the match between the auto zone and landfill zone. This would be the ideal location to attempt to grab one or more recycling cans from the step during autonomous and move it into the auto zone.

According to G7 you can't touch your auto zone or landfill?

[Cyan]

Originally Posted by Canon reeves

According to G7 you can't touch your auto zone or landfill?

G7 says that your robot cannot start in the LANDFILL or AUTO zones. However, there is some space between the zones that your robot can legally start in. You can see a visual in 2.1.5 of the manual.

[alopex_rex]

Originally Posted by Cyan

I believe you are right, a total of 2 CONTAINER SETs should be possible in autonomous.

Not quite. The rule is phrased so that there can only be one. If there are six recycling containers in the auto zone, you get 8 points because "a container set exists". There's no per-set scoring.

It would still be really cool to see a robot use one of the containers on the step in autonomous though.

[Cyan]

Originally Posted by alopex_rex

Not quite. The rule is phrased so that there can only be one. If there are six recycling containers in the auto zone, you get 8 points because "a container set exists". There's no per-set scoring.

It would still be really cool to see a robot use one of the containers on the step in autonomous though.

"A CONTAINER SET exists if any three (3) RECYCLING CONTAINERS are fully contained by the AUTO ZONE at the end of AUTO." - 3.1.2.1

I believe I get what you are saying, but I still think the wording is ambiguous. I say it is something we should leave for Q&A.

[Canon reeves]

Originally Posted by Cyan

G7 says that your robot cannot start in the LANDFILL or AUTO zones. However, there is some space between the zones that your robot can legally start in. You can see a visual in 2.1.5 of the manual.

Ah, thankyou, I missed that, I was thinking of the staging zone, and assumed that the autozone and landfill touched.

[ConnorAWD]

I might as well list all 4 ways to get auto points.

1. If all 3 robots are in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over you get 4 points.

2. If 3 yellow totes are in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over (and with no robots touching it) you get 6 points.

3. If at least 3 containers are in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over (and no robots touching) you get 8 points.

4. If all 3 yellow totes are stacked in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over( and no robots touching it) you get 20 points instead of the 6.

Hope that helped

[markmcgary]

Originally Posted by ConnorAWD

I might as well list all 4 ways to get auto points.

1. If all 3 robots are in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over you get 4 points.

2. If 3 yellow totes are in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over (and with no robots touching it) you get 6 points.

3. If at least 3 containers are in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over (and no robots touching) you get 8 points.

4. If all 3 yellow totes are stacked in the auto zone when the 15 seconds are over( and no robots touching it) you get 20 points instead of the 6.

Hope that helped

The "no robots touching" only applies to the STACKED TOTE SET (Your #4).