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When are penalty points assessed?

When are penalty points assessed? Are they assessed immediately, and therefore a team penalized early potentially looses zero points.
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Re: When are penalty points assessed?

I do not have the rule book right in front of me, but I understand it as being totaled at the end, as it said the only thing counted immediately is Co-op/Autonomous.
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Re: When are penalty points assessed?

From the wording of the rule it is assigned at the time of the offense and only counts at that point in time.

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3.1.3 Penalty Assignment
Upon a rule violation, a FOUL will be issued and six (6) points will be decremented from the offending ALLIANCE’S score.
The minimum score for an ALLIANCE in a MATCH is zero (0).
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Re: When are penalty points assessed?

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When are penalty points assessed? Are they assessed immediately, and therefore a team penalized early potentially looses zero points.
I see what the rule says. However, what I think actually happens in software is more like:

"Current score is X. X-6. Wait, that's <0, so I just display 0. OK, score is now up to 0, keep showing 0. NOW score is positive. Wait, another -6. But the score is still positive, so keep showing the score."


You don't lose zero points for an early foul. You lose all the points assessed, at some point--unless you're below zero--so the outlined situation is more reasonable.

Back when this sort of foul stuff was more common, they'd just show the score, then knock off the points at the end.
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When are penalty points assessed?

It is still not perfectly clear exactly when the points will be assessed. Potentially immediately and in order of other scores being received. However, it seems like it could be argued otherwise.

Anybody have specific knowledge/info?
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Re: When are penalty points assessed?

While the evidence is not concrete, looking at yesterday's blog post about the new match display, it shows on the final score screen how many foul points each alliance had subtracted from their score which leads me to believe that the points are subtracted at the end of the match.
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