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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

Our programming laptop has never worked properly with the radio configuration tool. Is there a guide to change the settings manually, like their has been in the past?
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

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Our programming laptop has never worked properly with the radio configuration tool. Is there a guide to change the settings manually, like their has been in the past?
Yeah, check out my first post on the previous page, there's a link in there to a guy who wrote out a manual way of doing it. That worked fine for me, although as you can read it was a bit flaky. What error are you running into? I think every possible one has been posted on ChiefDelphi, each with their own fix.
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

Thanks everyone for all of your help. To give you an update today (sorry I didn't respond sooner, our meeting was busy to say the least). Anyways...

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Yeah, check out my first post on the previous page, there's a link in there to a guy who wrote out a manual way of doing it. That worked fine for me
I tried following those instructions and it did not work as we could not access the router from the internet browser via its IP address.

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I know how frustrating this can be. We have had trouble with it in the past. I know you said that you followed all directions, but just to check... do you have the D-Link set to "AP 2.4GHz"? Did you try powering off and then resetting the bridge between attempts?

And you turned off (disabled) the wireless adapter while you were doing the Bridge Configuration, right? And you have no other devices plugged into the ethernet besides the bridge?

I know that they warn about firewall issues in association with many communication issues. Can you maybe disable your firewall completely and try it again?
Yes, yes, yes, yes. The firewall is down, everything was off. What we did find is that if we set the computer's IP address to match the "supposed"
IP address of the router, the config tool got to the second step of configuring the radio, but still failed (according to the program it could not find the router). Because the program could not find the router, neither could Google chrome and our computer is saying that the router doesn't have a correct IP address (as per troubleshooter), I think that the router's IP address is all coockoo for some reason, as in it isn't set to its default 192.168.0.50 (idk if that is correct IP, I'm working off of memory). Any ideas? Thank you so much again for all of you guys help with this frustrating issue.
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

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Yes, yes, yes, yes. The firewall is down, everything was off. What we did find is that if we set the computer's IP address to match the "supposed"
IP address of the router, the config tool got to the second step of configuring the radio, but still failed (according to the program it could not find the router). Because the program could not find the router, neither could Google chrome and our computer is saying that the router doesn't have a correct IP address (as per troubleshooter), I think that the router's IP address is all coockoo for some reason, as in it isn't set to its default 192.168.0.50 (idk if that is correct IP, I'm working off of memory). Any ideas? Thank you so much again for all of you guys help with this frustrating issue.
Hmm well in my (limited) experience with these things, I've always been able to talk to the router following these steps:

1. Turn everything off and unplug everything, meaning also disconnect the roboRIO and anything else plugged into the radio.
2. Turn the router on, wait for it to boot then hold the reset button for like ten seconds
3. Turn your computer on.
4. Once you're booted and logged in, connect the computer and radio with an ethernet cord
5. Disable the wireless network connection on the computer, and set the wired network connection IP address to 192.168.0.40.
6. Open internet explorer and go to 192.168.0.50.

If that really doesn't work, there might be something wrong with your radio. Good luck!
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

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Yes, yes, yes, yes. The firewall is down, everything was off. What we did find is that if we set the computer's IP address to match the "supposed"
IP address of the router
"match" is not a precise word. The computer and router IP address need to be similar, but not the same.

Similar: Identical first 3 numbers, but different 4th number. Ideally less than 10 different from each other, and not spanning 127/128, less than 255, and greater than 0.
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

Thanks for your response. Just a couple questions.

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Similar: Identical first 3 numbers, but different 4th number. Ideally less than 10 different from each other, and not spanning 127/128, less than 255, and greater than 0.
Thank you for that. I am really not the one troubleshooting this problem, someone else is, I am just the liaison for Chief Delphi, so I don't know exactly if the person actually working on this problem set the IP addresses to the same address, she just told me that she "matched" them. Maybe that mean she set them to the same IP address or she set them correctly.

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Turn everything off and unplug everything, meaning also disconnect the roboRIO and anything else plugged into the radio.
Was the roboRIO supposed to be connected to the router to begin with. We have just done it disconnected from the roboRIO.

Lastly, I noticed two things today. Firstly, in the initial dialog box of the utility, the Local Area Connection 3* option does not show up anymore (it did before). What does that mean? Secondly, I noticed in the Labview folder there are two configuration utilities one Java named FRC_Team_Radio_Kiosk and one normal application FRC Bridge Configuration Utility. We have been using the latter, is that the correct application?

Thanks again for all of your help, we have been struggling with this for a week now and it really is frustrating, yet I know that all problems have a solution!
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

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Thank you for that. I am really not the one troubleshooting this problem, someone else is, I am just the liaison for Chief Delphi, so I don't know exactly if the person actually working on this problem set the IP addresses to the same address, she just told me that she "matched" them. Maybe that mean she set them to the same IP address or she set them correctly.
Next time you follow through a procedure (like this one),could you post the output of "ipconfig" (when run from command line) each time you change IPs?

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Was the roboRIO supposed to be connected to the router to begin with. We have just done it disconnected from the roboRIO.
We've also always done it disconnected. Theoretically everything should fix itself on reboot, but if you keep it disconnected then that's one potential problem you've eliminated. Also, if your imaging/installing firmware. I highly recommend you use the USB connection. It's much simpler and should work better.

Another quick test you can do is once you've followed the procedure to set up DHCP, connect a completely different computer up, run ipconfig, and check that the ip, subnet and gateway all match what you've set up. If they don't, then it's likely a problem with setting up the DLink (such as not saving or incorrect settings)

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(snip)...We have been using the latter, is that the correct application?
TBH, I don't know. I've always set it up manually..
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

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BH, I don't know. I've always set it up manually..
I thought that the radio had to be set up via the utility because of the new control system. In any event, we will try your suggestions tomorrow and I will tell you how they went. Thanks for your help!
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Re: Problems Configuring Radio

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I thought that the radio had to be set up via the utility because of the new control system.
Theoretically, it should be. However at the end of the day, it's just a network. We've actually run DHCP on the DLINK for the past few years with the cRIO. If your smart about your address ranges, it allows you to connect any laptop/computer up to the network and begining coding/driving without mucking around with other settings.

When you get to competition however, you are required to re-program the DLink like always (I'd expect). But this will be organised by the FTA/Event Staff so you don't have to worry too much. The utility that your given is a modified version of the one they use at events. There is the argument that you should use the utility to be as close to the event system as possible. But unless you're doing something quite complicated/heavy on bandwidth you won't notice any difference (we haven't). At least, that's what I'm infering from documentation and previous experience, someone who's worked on it could confirm/clarify.
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