Grabbing 4 Bins from the step in Auto

[Tammyo]

This is a strategy that our team considered and we will have multiple autonomous programs. This won't be our primary strategy, but it may come in handy when playing with high functioning teams who are able to score independently during autonomous.

[ruralrobotics]

Does anyone know if you can be touching the recycling bins before autonomous? I'm thinking of an arm that would be hooked onto the handle but not lifting or pulling before the game starts. You could place the robot in the middle open zone and have it reaching over the bins and latched on to the handle or top of the bin. I have looked throughout the rules and can't find anything that wouldn't allow this.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by ruralrobotics

Does anyone know if you can be touching the recycling bins before autonomous? I'm thinking of an arm that would be hooked onto the handle but not lifting or pulling before the game starts. You could place the robot in the middle open zone and have it reaching over the bins and latched on to the handle or top of the bin. I have looked throughout the rules and can't find anything that wouldn't allow this.

You cannot start the match extending into the (infinitely tall volume that is) the Landfill.

In other words, you can reach above Cans before auto starts, but not the ones on the Step. (The ones are your side are fine, but they're uncontested.)

You're looking for G7(c) in the manual.

[Pretzel]

Originally Posted by ruralrobotics

Does anyone know if you can be touching the recycling bins before autonomous? I'm thinking of an arm that would be hooked onto the handle but not lifting or pulling before the game starts. You could place the robot in the middle open zone and have it reaching over the bins and latched on to the handle or top of the bin. I have looked throughout the rules and can't find anything that wouldn't allow this.

Both the landfill and autonomous zones have been defined as volumes this year (as opposed to an area on the floor), meaning they extend upwards into the space above them. You are not allowed to start the autonomous period inside either the landfill or the auto zone. Since the arm would be hooked onto the handle of the recycling containers on the step, it would pass through the landfill zone and be in violation of G7.

G7 states,
"When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:
A. in compliance with all ROBOT rules, i.e. it has passed Inspection. For exceptions regarding Practice MATCHES, see
Section 5.2 – Practice MATCHES.
B. fully supported by the floor, SCORING PLATFORM, and/or SCORING PLATFORM ramps on their ALLIANCE’S side of the
FIELD, and
C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE"

Part C of rule G7 is what would prohibit such a strategy (as well as part B depending on if the bin supported the arm before the match started).

[JamesYao]

Game Manual 2.1.5: Each LANDFILL ZONE is an infinitely tall volume that extends 4 ft. 3 in. from the edge of the STEP towards their ALLIANCE WALL.

Game Manual 3.2.2 G7: When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE

So you can't touch the RCs before Auto starts. The entire robot has to be behind the Landfill Zone.

[ruralrobotics]

Thanks for the help. I knew it said zones but I couldn't find where it was vertical also. Back to the drawing board!