Eclipse is being a butt

[King Nerd III]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

Do you mean they didn't actually "install" it on their computers, but just copied files from yours? I wouldn't be very confident in that working. You should always follow the directions in http://wpilib.screenstepslive.com/s/...eclipse-c-java when setting up a computer for C++ robot programming.

Well I don't see how it differs. Installing from the download is downloading a zipped file and then dragging the folder into program files. How in the world is copying that folder to a jumpdrive and then to another computer any different?

[King Nerd III]

Originally Posted by JohnSmooth42

I don't understand why people say Eclipse is so bad, windriver was literally Eclipse with stickers. Everyone keeps saying Visual Studio is so great, which I don't understand either. I think I'll just stick with emacs and gcc

Windriver still gives me nightmares and makes me weep with sadness over having to use it. Eclipse is better, but it's still unstable and has some major problems. Visual Studio on the other hand just works. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do! Link: http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/ne...munity-vs.aspx

[wireties]

Originally Posted by King Nerd III

Windriver still gives me nightmares and makes me weep with sadness over having to use it. Eclipse is better, but it's still unstable and has some major problems. Visual Studio on the other hand just works. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do! Link: http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/ne...munity-vs.aspx

Wind River is a company, not a product. The operating system is "VxWorks" and were are now using much the same compiler. Wind River's "Workbench" is a customized version of Eclipse. Now were are using Eclipse but also modified by FIRST with some plug-ins.

Neither Wind River, FIRST, Eclipse or FSF had anything to do with mangling your headers. Someone probably accidentally deleted the method name - happens to everyone now and then.

Visual Studio is not (though it can be painfully modified) by default for cross development. Using Eclipse under Linux for cross development is the choice for many professionals. Personally I would not touch Visual Studio with a ten foot pole - every other version is way too buggy and I don't write PC apps.

[King Nerd III]

Originally Posted by wireties

Wind River is a company, not a product. The operating system is "VxWorks" and were are now using much the same compiler. Wind River's "Workbench" is a customized version of Eclipse. Now were are using Eclipse but also modified by FIRST with some plug-ins.

Neither Wind River, FIRST, Eclipse or FSF had anything to do with mangling your headers. Someone probably accidentally deleted the method name - happens to everyone now and then.

Visual Studio is not (though it can be painfully modified) by default for cross development. Using Eclipse under Linux for cross development is the choice for many professionals. Personally I would not touch Visual Studio with a ten foot pole - every other version is way too buggy and I don't write PC apps.

The very fact that eclipse doesn't clear out old errors and I have to manually delete them for my program to compile correctly raises many red flags for me. Visual Studio has worked perfectly for me, and I've never had as terrible of a problem as it throwing ghosts errors at me, like eclipse, for example the other day I had the line:
double speed = 0.5;
and got and error that said (not exact quote) "incompatible types, int to double"
My point is, Eclipse hasn't been stable at all for me, and I would rather have a tool I know works and trust (Visual Studio) than a tool that has not worked so far. I can't even import a project into a workspace, for crying out loud!

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by King Nerd III

Well I don't see how it differs. Installing from the download is downloading a zipped file and then dragging the folder into program files. How in the world is copying that folder to a jumpdrive and then to another computer any different?

Running the C++ Toolchains installer isn't the same thing as unzipping a file. If you didn't do that, it might explain a lot of the problems you've been encountering.

[King Nerd III]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

Do you mean they didn't actually "install" it on their computers, but just copied files from yours? I wouldn't be very confident in that working. You should always follow the directions in http://wpilib.screenstepslive.com/s/...eclipse-c-java when setting up a computer for C++ robot programming.

Tool chain was still installed like the tutorial says. I just said I copied over eclipse, because you can't download it over the school wifi. I am pretty sure I know how to correctly install eclipse, from a jumpdrive, as I have done it many times because of the amount of times I have had to remove it and reinstall it... so I am pretty sure the errors were not caused by not downloading a new copy everytime.

[wireties]

Originally Posted by King Nerd III

The very fact that eclipse doesn't clear out old errors and I have to manually delete them for my program to compile correctly raises many red flags for me. Visual Studio has worked perfectly for me, and I've never had as terrible of a problem as it throwing ghosts errors at me, like eclipse, for example the other day I had the line:
double speed = 0.5;
and got and error that said (not exact quote) "incompatible types, int to double"
My point is, Eclipse hasn't been stable at all for me, and I would rather have a tool I know works and trust (Visual Studio) than a tool that has not worked so far. I can't even import a project into a workspace, for crying out loud!

The errors are coming from the compiler, not from Eclipse. Eclipse is just an application framework. With respect, I think you need to read the manuals and more carefully follow the install instructions or you are never going to finish. This environment and cross development in general is more complex than simple VS projects. FYI - I import projects into Eclipse and export projects out of Eclipse every day. Many of the things you say are simply not the case. Our team has had 5 different students install and use Eclipse without problems and I'm developing under Linux. I'm not an Eclipse lover (hate the editor) but it is working as advertised.

[King Nerd III]

Originally Posted by wireties

The errors are coming from the compiler, not from Eclipse. Eclipse is just an application framework. With respect, I think you need to read the manuals and more carefully follow the install instructions or you are never going to finish. This environment and cross development in general is more complex than simple VS projects. FYI - I import projects into Eclipse and export projects out of Eclipse every day. Many of the things you say are simply not the case. Our team has had 5 different students install and use Eclipse without problems and I'm developing under Linux. I'm not an Eclipse lover (hate the editor) but it is working as advertised.

When ever either my mentor, my under-propgrammers, or I try to import a project it'll say import done, but there is no project in the project explorer! It's annoying as we have to then create a new project and replace all the files in it with our project files.

[wireties]

Originally Posted by King Nerd III

When ever either my mentor, my under-propgrammers, or I try to import a project it'll say import done, but there is no project in the project explorer! It's annoying as we have to then create a new project and replace all the files in it with our project files.

Export the project as an general->archive and import as an general->archive. That seems to work best for us.

[King Nerd III]

Originally Posted by wireties

Export the project as an general->archive and import as an general->archive. That seems to work best for us.

We'll try that. We're still having problems with Eclipse, so currently I've taken to writing everything in Visual Studio and then importing it into Eclipse to run on the robot. That's what's been working the best for us.

[wireties]

I've seen your posts in several forums and there is a definite (and worrisome) theme. You are having troubles that few others experience (as in zero) and coming up with solutions that don't make much sense whilst disregarding advice from some very sharp engineers. Perhaps it is time to be honest with yourself and your team and get some help from a local mentor. We have 4 students (2 new to FRC) and myself using Eclipse/C++ and a custom software design and are having no problems. I can see your team getting to your first competition and failing miserably when running wireless hooked up to the field. And then it is too late - be humble, get some help while you still can.