Programming for money

[robotz123456]

To all teams,

The team that I mentor is going to program team's robots for money. We need the money in order to compete next year. If you team needs their robot to be programmed please let me know.

[Poseidon5817]

Against gracious professionalism? Not sure if this is a troll or not because you only have one post.

[robotz123456]

Originally Posted by Poseidon1671

Against gracious professionalism? Not sure if this is a troll or not because you only have one post.

I'm just trying to help out other teams by programming their robot for money.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by robotz123456

I'm just trying to help out other teams by programming their robot for money.

You're off to a rocky start. You might want to rethink your marketing strategy.

[Arhowk]

The point of frc is to learn... not to pay someone else to do work for you, that's school.

[connor.worley]

Originally Posted by Poseidon1671

Against gracious professionalism? Not sure if this is a troll or not because you only have one post.

Seems completely GP to me. I'm sure there are two teams out there who would find this mutually beneficial.

[dradel]

Seems anti first to me.

[gixxy]

This sort of goes against Gracious Professionalism, but it certainly goes against the spirit of FIRST. A better strategy (more inline with FIRST values and GP) would be charging to TEACH students programming.

[BigJ]

I'm sure there are plenty of teams that have provided compensation to another team or a sponsor in exchange for, say, machined parts.

Just because something is new/strange/you don't like it doesn't mean it is "anti FIRST" or "un GP".

That said, I think the OP could have proposed his/her idea a bit better and don't think it is feasible to completely program and debug a different teams robot from scratch in a reasonable timeframe

[hardcopi]

I don't think it is un GP necessarily... that said I wonder if that was allowed why can't we just go to the top robotics firms in the world and say "Here's a fist full of cash, design us a robot. We will be back in 6 weeks to pick it up".

[BigJ]

Originally Posted by hardcopi

I don't think it is un GP necessarily... that said I wonder if that was allowed why can't we just go to the top robotics firms in the world and say "Here's a fist full of cash, design us a robot. We will be back in 6 weeks to pick it up".

Aside from being boring, you have to account non-team labor costs on the BOM

Originally Posted by manual

R11 The BOM cost of each non-KOP item must be calculated based on the unit fair market value for the material and/or labor,
except for labor provided by Team members (including sponsor employees who are members of the team), members of other
Teams, event provided Machine Shops and shipping.

EXAMPLE 1: A Team orders a custom bracket made by a company to the Team’s specification. The company’s material cost and normally
charged labor rate apply.
EXAMPLE 2: A Team receives a donated sensor. The company would normally sell this item for $52 USD, which is therefore its fair market
value.

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by hardcopi

I don't think it is un GP necessarily... that said I wonder if that was allowed why can't we just go to the top robotics firms in the world and say "Here's a fist full of cash, design us a robot. We will be back in 6 weeks to pick it up".

See if you can get one of those firms to build it for you for less than $4000 (R9).

I would fully expect any team taking up this offer to include the cost of the services on the BOM - you're purchasing a part (code) for the robot.

For what it's worth, my team is willing to help any other team figure out their code and teach them a few things along the way. We've been do it free for many years now, and annually present to a room full of other team sat the MN Splash event in December all we know about programming robots in java.

[IndySam]

Stop throwing around words like non or un GP. Not all teams have ready resources or even students who want to learn programming.

If a team wishes to use their resources to hire someone to help them with something it's their choice.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis

See if you can get one of those firms to build it for you for less than $4000 (R9).

Better make that $400:

Originally Posted by 2015 Game Manual

R10

No individual, non-KOP item shall have a value that exceeds $400 USD. The total cost of COMPONENTS purchased in bulk may exceed $400 USD as long as the cost of an individual COMPONENT does not exceed $400 USD. If a COTS item is part of a modular system that can be assembled in several possible configurations, then each individual module must fit within the price constraints defined in R10. If the modules are designed to assemble into a single configuration, and the assembly is functional in only that configuration, then the total cost of the complete assembly including all modules must fit within the price constraints defined in R10

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Better make that $400:

My assumption (possibly a bad one) was that a team willing to do this would work out specific invoicing carefully enough to get past the $400 limit.