Pneumatic Control Module Power Issue

[KettleFallsTeam]

We are connected to the can bus. However, we cannot get a reading from it since the whole pneumatic control module is not getting power.

[Jared]

We experienced a similar failure with ours. We can measure 12 volts on the traces of the board, but there are no status lights. Some tiny surface mount part on the board appears to have failed.

[KettleFallsTeam]

That's what we are experiencing. We can measure 12 volts on it, but we have no status lights on it. Have you found a fix for it? We are dreading buying a new one because its a 90 dollar part, and it is costing us 70 dollars to ship..

[Jared]

Originally Posted by KettleFallsTeam

That's what we are experiencing. We can measure 12 volts on it, but we have no status lights on it. Have you found a fix for it? We are dreading buying a new one because its a 90 dollar part, and it is costing us 70 dollars to ship..

We couldn't identify the broken part, so we weren't able to attempt a fix. Our team decided not to use pneumatics and not to pursue a solution to this problem.

I'd get in touch with CTRE and send them an email.

[KettleFallsTeam]

We may have found a potential fix; we have discovered that our 20 amp fuse on the power distribution board may be burnt out

[Ether]

Originally Posted by KettleFallsTeam

We checked the voltage on the wires that we have going into the device and it is a strong 12 volts.

Originally Posted by KettleFallsTeam

we have discovered that our 20 amp fuse on the power distribution board may be burnt out

Hmm.

[billbo911]

Originally Posted by KettleFallsTeam

We may have found a potential fix; we have discovered that our 20 amp fuse on the power distribution board may be burnt out

So you can measure +12vdc on the board with a open fuse feeding it?
Separate but related question: Are there fuse monitoring circuits on the new PDB as there were on the old one? If so, is that is what is feeding the voltage to the PCM board, but not enough current to boot it?

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by billbo911

Separate but related question: Are there fuse monitoring circuits on the new PDB as there were on the old one? If so, is that is what is feeding the voltage to the PCM board, but not enough current to boot it?

No.
No LEDs light up when a breaker is missing, but wires are attached like the 2014 PDB.
The 20a fuse is for all current headed the PCM's way.

[billbo911]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

No.
No LEDs light up when a breaker is missing, but wires are attached like the 2014 PDB.
The 20a fuse is for all current headed the PCM's way.

Right, dedicated power for the PCM, forgot about that.

Now I'm even more confused. How could they have measured 12 volts on the PCM board, yet had an open fuse feeding it?
There must be some new magic in the control system for 2015.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by billbo911

Right, dedicated power for the PCM, forgot about that.

Now I'm even more confused. How could they have measured 12 volts on the PCM board, yet had an open fuse feeding it?
There must be some new magic in the control system for 2015.

Well it is unlikely for the standard automotive fuse to fail in this manner but if a tiny portion of it is still connected it will flow enough current for a volt meter with a 10megaohm input impeadance to show "12v". However it won't flow enough current to power up the board. This can also happen with really bad connections. For this reason a volt meter is a poor tool to check for power on a load level circuit. You need something that will put some load on the circuit like a test light.

[KettleFallsTeam]

Well, we replaced the fuse and we are getting the same results. However, after listening to the discussion here, we must have burned out the fuse while playing with things after it was already not working. We have checked some of the parts on the board. The little fuse on the PCM is still good. Voltage is going in to the pins on the board. Unfortunately, the overnight shipping to Washington state is $70 but, I'm thinking we will just do the advantage shipping as saving one day doesn't justify the $70. If only they could fulfill the order faster than three days.

Thanks for the all the help, we have an electrical engineer poking around the board right now as I type so, I will keep people posted on what may have happened.

Cheers!
Canine Crusaders #4980

[nedwards28]

Well, I said I would update, so here I am. I think while younger teammates were working in the control system wires were pulled or inserted when it was on. Taking a look at the PCM, we couldn't see any processing going on or any indication that it was working beyond power in.

We contacted Cross the Road and they replaced the module for us. They were exceptionally helpful and easy to work with with.

Thanks everyone! Good luck in the last few hours!

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by KettleFallsTeam

and it is costing us 70 dollars to ship..

Shipping for just a PCM should not be that much. Overnight to Wisconsin from AndyMark (in Indiana) is $38.98 for the PCM; Next Day Air to Wisconsin from Vex (in Texas) is $27.99 for the PCM. That's if you need the PCM within a day or two. Ground shipping to Wisconsin from AndyMark (in Indiana) is $8.97 for the PCM; Ground shipping to Wisconsin from Vex (in Texas) is $5.74 for the PCM.

(AndyMark is about 3 times closer to Wisconsin than Vex, and their shipping is somehow more expensive. )

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Jared

Some tiny surface mount part on the board appears to have failed.

Did you take pictures?