How many points will you score?

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by waialua359

Because it said individually, I didnt factor in the 40 point co-op when selecting our choice.
With that being said, I was surprised to see several teams choose 150+.

Yes... 150+ is ridiculously hard solo in 2:15. I don't buy 10 worldwide can do it doubt even ONE can do it.
I don't care if you have a conveyor and three tethered together robots it still takes time...135 seconds with maybe a bit of room from the 32 max in auto. But I assume a solo 150+ point bot would need to be "in optimum stacking place" at end of auto for tele-op.

Best case max point stack at 42 points max stack .... is 3.67 completed solo stacks (a bit less adding in auto) for an average of completed max stack every 36 seconds with RC and noodle placed...does not leave time to get co-op solo 40 pts at all. Pretty sure an efficient stacker does not have a great mobility attribute. Before you say Batman..did you see it stack and how long those stacks took I saw a lot of driving around with 6 stacks.

I would have to see 150 points solo to believe it... Stacking takes time regardless of how you slice it other variables at play field conditions can change and robots can knock down stacks negating good intentions.

Maybe with noodle throwing but that shouldn't count....as solo.

Over 100 solo sure is possible with top bots...150 consistently not so much...guess we'll find out soon

[WillRobinson]

I read this question as "you're the only robot on the field. How many points can you score?" Getting 150+ by your lonesome is doable, but a pretty tough feat.

So if you get a 3-stack in auton, you have 135 seconds to get 130 points.

While there may be several combinations that can get you there, let's just assume a 6-stack with both a container and litter is the most efficient way. You'd need to build and score three of these with sub-40 second cycles to have enough time remaining to build and score a 2-stack to break 150.

Yes, doable but based on the week 0 play and the reveals seen thus far, it will be quite challenging.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams with 42-point cycle times in the 30 second range but not that many.

[MrJohnston]

We set the goal of being able to stack all three yellow totes on the day of kick-off and have kept that as a #1 priority ever since. We added being able to stack recycling containers... Being able to do these two things means:
* We have a very fast lifter.
* We have a very fast acquirer
In fact, if lined up perfectly, we can internally stack six totes in about five seconds... Recycling containers take about three seconds...

So, we should be able to get our 20 pt. autonomous in our first competition just about every match... It's easy enough, then, to pick up our three yellow totes and deposit them on the step right away. If there is one there already from the other alliance, it's easy enough to stack them. We can then be back in the staging area to acquire an RC 15 seconds into tele-op. Six or seven seconds later, we can be loading at the feeder station.... That leaves us more than 1:45 to stack... We can easily stack six totes and an RC in under 30 seconds, so 3 tall stacks shouldn't be hard... Of course, this was all under "ideal" circumstances.

Of course, all this is under ideal situations assuming a few things go well:
* Our autonomous code is about 80% debugged... Saturday our programmers are scheduled to have the practice robot most of the day and should be able clean it up.
* WE are having some struggles with how robust the clips on our lifter is- we've broken several and are trying to strengthen them without losing the necessary flexibility. Our last trial last night securely held four totes and an RC, was a bit too tipsy with a fifth tote and failed with tote number six... We did not have time to test our latest fix last night - but it's part of our 30lbs - so we'll be working on it the next two days as needed.
* Transporting a stack (six+RC) from the loading zone to the scoring platform is easy as is setting the stack on the platform.... Loading is easy as our robot guides totes out of the chute into the stack easily.

Why the narrative? Because we designed to grab and lift quickly from the beginning, scoring over 150 seems plausible. We are not an "elite" team by any means and we have some kinks to work out still, but I think we will be close. So, I can very well see how quite a few teams could be capable of putting up big numbers.... We can be foiled by a few things... We are still working on solutions to deal with sideways totes and currently knock about 30% of them over in autonomous... We can take RC's from the step, but not during autonomous - at this point...

By our week five competition, we hope to have a few "additional" capabilities: We think we can add a device that will let us convert our 20 pt. autonomous to a 28 pointer... It will be easy so long as we use less than 2lbs of material... We'd like to add something that can upright totes - or let us slide the sideways RC's into our lifter... Again, in needs to be light. WE trimmed about five lbs. out of our robot last night to get us down to 117....

[Jonathan Norris]

Every year we over estimate how many game pieces team can score, the averages are usually very low. The top teams will do over 10 scoring actions per game (stack 1 tote, score bin), the average will likely be ~4-5.

The big difference this year is obviously the lack of defense, hopefully that should allow teams to focus on optimizing their scoring and we should see averages rise throughout the season.

[dschmalzel]

We talked about this on kickoff day.

Einstein at World's they are going to run out of totes to stack. They are going to clear the field and bring in all 30 from outside.

[GeeTwo]

If we went today, about 36 (one stack of six with RC). We have nearly three more weeks to work on the semi-autonomous pickup code, which should better than triple our effective speed to stack, so (allowing for running out of RCs) I went with 91-100. If we can get our auto tote stack working (about 50% likelihood), add another 20. If our code works as well as I believe it should, the numbers could be even better. As programming mentor this year, I see a lot of long nights between now and Bayou.

[IronicDeadBird]

Woah 150+?
Ima call it at 42-60, but wow 150...
I hope this is accurate cause the mechanisms provided would be mind blowing.

[Whippet]

To answer the original question: Probably not enough.

[Kevin Leonard]

How much is 150 points?
Its more than a tote stack auto and 3 fully capped stacks of 6
Its a tote stack auto and 4 fully capped stacks of 5
Its a tote stack auto and 4 capped stacks of 6.
Its more than a tote stack auto and 4 capped stacks of 5
Its more than a container, robot, tote set and 3 fully capped stacks of 6
Its a container, robot, tote set and 4 fully capped stacks of 5
Its a container, robot, tote set and 4 capped stacks of 6
Its more than a container, robot, tote set and 4 capped stacks of 5
Its 4 fully capped stacks of 6
Its more than 4 fully capped stacks of 5
Its more than 4 capped stacks of 6
Its 5 capped stacks of 5
Its 75 scored totes.

If you can score more than any of the above every single match, you can put down 150+
You're also either one of the best in the world right now or delusional.

For the purpose of analysis, I'm disregarding unprocessed litter and coopertition points because they are less effective during playoffs when it matters.

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

If you can score more than any of the above every single match, you can put down 150+
You're also either one of the best in the world right now or delusional.

Exactly right.

[IronicDeadBird]

Anybody have the math handy on the max score you can get as determined by maximum number of 6 stacks on the platform plus all scoring options? I thought it was 170 something but that seems wrong in retrospect.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

Anybody have the math handy on the max score you can get as determined by maximum number of 6 stacks on the platform plus all scoring options? I thought it was 170 something but that seems wrong in retrospect.

THEORETICAL MAXIMUM COMPETITIVE SCORE
Autonomous
Robot Set: 4
Tote Set: 6
Container Set: 8
Stacked Tote Set: 20

Total: 32 Points

Teleoperated
60 Gray Totes: 120
7 Recycling Bins Level 6: 168
7 Litter in Bins: 42
13 Unprocessed Litter: 52
Cooperation Stack: 40

Total: 422

Combined Total: 454

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THEORETICAL LET'S BE NICE EVERYBODY SHARES SCORE
Autonomous
Robot Set: 4
Tote Set: 6
Container Set: 8
Stacked Tote Set: 20

Total: 32 Points

Teleoperated
54 Gray Totes: 108
5 Recycling Bins Level 6: 120
5 Litter in Bins: 30
5 Unprocessed Litter: 20
Cooperation Stack: 40

Total: 318

Combined Total: 350

[IronicDeadBird]

Originally Posted by Boltman

THEORETICAL MAXIMUM COMPETITIVE SCORE
Autonomous
Robot Set: 4
Tote Set: 6
Container Set: 8
Stacked Tote Set: 20

Total: 32 Points

Teleoperated
60 Gray Totes: 120
7 Recycling Bins Level 6: 168
7 Litter in Bins: 42
13 Unprocessed Litter: 52
Cooperation Stack: 40

Total: 422

Combined Total: 454

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THEORETICAL LET'S BE NICE EVERYBODY SHARES SCORE
Autonomous
Robot Set: 4
Tote Set: 6
Container Set: 8
Stacked Tote Set: 20

Total: 32 Points

Teleoperated
54 Gray Totes: 108
5 Recycling Bins Level 6: 120
5 Litter in Bins: 30
5 Unprocessed Litter: 20
Cooperation Stack: 40

Total: 318

Combined Total: 350

Sweet thanks man. Ill run the numbers on maximum number of totes on a scoring platform

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

Anybody have the math handy on the max score you can get as determined by maximum number of 6 stacks on the platform plus all scoring options? I thought it was 170 something but that seems wrong in retrospect.

Maximum autonomous is 32 points:
Tote stack (20)
Container set (8)
Robot set (4)
Maximum Teleoperated is 362
All 7 containers scored at maximum height with noodles: (7*30= 210)
All 70 totes scored (140)
The three extra noodles scored as unprocessed litter(12)

Maximum score= 32+362=384

With only 3 containers, maximum score is less three full containers, but plus 4 unprocessed litter. (384-120+16=280)
Correct me if my math is wrong.

[IronicDeadBird]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Maximum autonomous is 32 points:
Tote stack (20)
Container set (8)
Robot set (4)
Maximum Teleoperated is 362
All 7 containers scored at maximum height with noodles: (7*30= 210)
All 70 totes scored (140)
The three extra noodles scored as unprocessed litter(12)

Maximum score= 32+362=384

With only 3 containers, maximum score is less three full containers, but plus 4 unprocessed litter. (384-120+16=280)
Correct me if my math is wrong.

Its correct but I don't think you can hold all 70 totes on the scoring platforms
I think my math is wrong now but then again this is why I deal with logistics not statistics...