[FRCTop25.com]- Premiere Night 2015!

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

None of those teams were in reveal night. 254 rarely does reveal videos, 1114 hasn't in a long time, I don't think 111 has in a few years, and I don't think 2056 ever has.

I've never known too many powerhouse teams to do reveal videos. It's a rare treat when they do. It makes seeing them at their initial competition even more special.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I've never known too many powerhouse teams to do reveal videos. It's a rare treat when they do. It makes seeing them at their initial competition even more special.

Not to mention the intent of Top 25 program doesn't actually align with powerhouse teams, as weird as that may sound.

Top 25, especially with the change to voting this year, is about promoting the the top teams no one knows about (as an observer, that's at least what I think they're doing. 4039 and 2054 are great examples of this. Each of these programs are really incredible, but are overshadowed by the powerhouses in Canada and Michigan respectively that the community circlejerks over.

254 and 1114 are HALL OF FAME, WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING organizations. They do not need the FRC Top 25 as part of their promotional package. Not trying to throw shade, but go compare the Facebook likes of Top 25 to 254 and 1114.

They don't need FRC Top 25, and FRC Top 25 doesn't need them. You don't need a poll of 80 dudes and chicks punching out some numbers to know that the Poofs built the most dominant machine in the modern era last year. You do need a poll to help change the minds of people who discard a broad swath of teams above the 1500-2000 level.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

Not to mention the intent of Top 25 program doesn't actually align with powerhouse teams, as weird as that may sound.

Top 25, especially with the change to voting this year, is about promoting the the top teams no one knows about (as an observer, that's at least what I think they're doing. 4039 and 2054 are great examples of this. Each of these programs are really incredible, but are overshadowed by the powerhouses in Canada and Michigan respectively that the community circlejerks over.

254 and 1114 are HALL OF FAME, WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING organizations. They do not need the FRC Top 25 as part of their promotional package. Not trying to throw shade, but go compare the Facebook likes of Top 25 to 254 and 1114.

They don't need FRC Top 25, and FRC Top 25 doesn't need them. You don't need a poll of 80 dudes and chicks punching out some numbers to know that the Poofs built the most dominant machine in the modern era last year. You do need a poll to help change the minds of people who discard a broad swath of teams above the 1500-2000 level.

But that's not Top 25's fault.
That's the cult that worships top tiered teams for their robot and only their robot. That's the way it's been on CD for years. To be honest it's no different than any other sport: the top level gets all the love.

[Anupam Goli]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

But that's not Top 25's fault.
That's the cult that worships top tiered teams for their robot and only their robot. That's the way it's been on CD for years. To be honest it's no different than any other sport: the top level gets all the love.

I'm glad that Top 25 is changing up the voting system. Lesser known teams will get more views and more fans, and I think people will also learn more about each region in FIRST. Everyone knows about Michigan, Canada, California, and Texas. But maybe some people will take away some knowledge about teams from other less prominent regions.

I love looking up to the best teams, but hopefully we can also start a culture of learning about each region's top teams.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Anupam Goli

I'm glad that Top 25 is changing up the voting system. Lesser known teams will get more views and more fans, and I think people will also learn more about each region in FIRST. Everyone knows about Michigan, Canada, California, and Texas. But maybe some people will take away some knowledge about teams from other less prominent regions.

I love looking up to the best teams, but hopefully we can also start a culture of learning about each region's top teams.

I admit Fantasy FIRST also plays into the cult as well but at least we do recognize other aspects of the team as well.

[Anupam Goli]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I admit Fantasy FIRST also plays into the cult as well but at least we do recognize other aspects of the team as well.

Playing Fantasy FIRST has helped me broaden my horizons on FIRST teams. Researching teams and events has made me a little more knowledgeable about teams and regions every year.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Anupam Goli

Playing Fantasy FIRST has helped me broaden my horizons on FIRST teams. Researching teams and events has made me a little more knowledgeable about teams and regions every year.

I can say it did for me as well.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

But that's not Top 25's fault.
That's the cult that worships top tiered teams for their robot and only their robot. That's the way it's been on CD for years. To be honest it's no different than any other sport: the top level gets all the love.

I didn't blame the Top 25 for anything?

[class1234567]

Does anybody recall the number of the team that grabbed every tote and bin in auto?

[Ginger Power]

Originally Posted by class1234567

Does anybody recall the number of the team that grabbed every tote and bin in auto?

2054... that was so impressive.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by class1234567

Does anybody recall the number of the team that grabbed every tote and bin in auto?

2054 and 1523.

[IKE]

2054 was my 4th "game changer" robot. A robot that does all the auton on their own using a couple seperate arms to grab the cans. Bravo.

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

Not to mention the intent of Top 25 program doesn't actually align with powerhouse teams, as weird as that may sound.

Top 25, especially with the change to voting this year, is about promoting the the top teams no one knows about (as an observer, that's at least what I think they're doing. 4039 and 2054 are great examples of this. Each of these programs are really incredible, but are overshadowed by the powerhouses in Canada and Michigan respectively that the community circlejerks over.

2054 has been to MSC Finals twice in the past three years, once at the top overall seed, which included beating various Michigan powerhouses. Anyone overlooking them has no idea what to look for. And that's disregarding how good their reveal was.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Basel A

2054 has been to MSC Finals twice in the past three years, once at the top overall seed, which included beating various Michigan powerhouses. Anyone overlooking them has no idea what to look for. And that's disregarding how good their reveal was.

I didn't say it was subjectively right, I'm just saying it's objectively true.

[Alex Cormier]

Looking through these reveal videos, I have seen some before the reveal night. Wasn't that not allowed?