[FRCTop25.com]- Premiere Night 2015!

[Ginger Power]

Originally Posted by class1234567

Does anybody recall the number of the team that grabbed every tote and bin in auto?

2054... that was so impressive.

[IKE]

2054 was my 4th "game changer" robot. A robot that does all the auton on their own using a couple seperate arms to grab the cans. Bravo.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by class1234567

Does anybody recall the number of the team that grabbed every tote and bin in auto?

2054 and 1523.

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

Not to mention the intent of Top 25 program doesn't actually align with powerhouse teams, as weird as that may sound.

Top 25, especially with the change to voting this year, is about promoting the the top teams no one knows about (as an observer, that's at least what I think they're doing. 4039 and 2054 are great examples of this. Each of these programs are really incredible, but are overshadowed by the powerhouses in Canada and Michigan respectively that the community circlejerks over.

2054 has been to MSC Finals twice in the past three years, once at the top overall seed, which included beating various Michigan powerhouses. Anyone overlooking them has no idea what to look for. And that's disregarding how good their reveal was.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Basel A

2054 has been to MSC Finals twice in the past three years, once at the top overall seed, which included beating various Michigan powerhouses. Anyone overlooking them has no idea what to look for. And that's disregarding how good their reveal was.

I didn't say it was subjectively right, I'm just saying it's objectively true.

[Alex Cormier]

Looking through these reveal videos, I have seen some before the reveal night. Wasn't that not allowed?

[Sperkowsky]

Top 25 celebrates the good times just not the elite few. The thing is what I like about it is they are student built. Like seriously you can't convince me 254 kids without the mentors and sponsors can make a robot even close to what they make. I'm not of the mindset that "nasa buids their robot" but I do believe they help a lot. It's remarkable what they do but honestly it doesn't belong in a high school robotics program.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Top 25 celebrates the good times just not the elite few. The thing is what I like about it is they are student built. Like seriously you can't convince me 254 kids without the mentors and sponsors can make a robot even close to what they make. I'm not of the mindset that "nasa buids their robot" but I do believe they help a lot. It's remarkable what they do but honestly it doesn't belong in a high school robotics program.

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Like seriously you can't convince me 254 kids without the mentors and sponsors can make a robot even close to what they make.

You clearly have not met the 254 students or alumni. If the rules changed and suddenly all teams were forced to build a robot with only students, no mentors or sponsors, my money would still be riding on 254.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by Karthik

You clearly have not met the 254 students or alumni. If the rules changed and suddenly all teams were forced to build a robot with only students, no mentors or sponsors, my money would still be riding on 254.

I admit I haven't and I'm not trying to start an arguement. My point was not to go after them particular but elite teams in general no student built can compete with a mentor built bot. Period.

[highlander]

Dead Horse alert, lets not ruin this unrelated thread with repetitive discussion on a controversial topic.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Like seriously you can't convince me 254 kids without the mentors and sponsors can make a robot even close to what they make.

Why would anyone want to convince you of that? Mentors and sponsors helping students do more than they could on their own is a big part of what makes FIRST more than a science fair.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

My point was not to go after them particular but elite teams in general no student built can compete with a mentor built bot. Period.

Not true. Mentors are supposed to be there to help guide the students. I don't want to derail this thread, so feel free to PM me if you want counterexamples or discussion on the topic.

[Fielding S.]

So yeah, Premiere Night was awesome. Loved seeing all the videos everyone submitted. I'm glad that Breakaway was able to participate this year, and I hope we'll be making appearances for future premiere nights.

Side note: I like the way FRC Top 25 is modifying their ranking system this year. Sounds interesting!

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

...It's remarkable what they do but honestly it doesn't belong in a high school robotics program.

It absolutely belongs in a high school robotics program. The amount of inspiration and motivation they supply is so valuable. You get better by playing against those that are better than you.

FIRST would be half the program it is today if teams like 254, 1114, 2056, 148, 67 among others weren't bringing incredible robots year after year.

Anyway, I'm glad most people seemed to enjoy Premiere Night. We look forward to our first week of voting and getting the competition season underway! Please remember to vote and remember, it's just for fun.