Is anyone surprised by the scoring in week #1?

[ThunderousPrime]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

Doesn't matter how creative something is if the price of said creativity is physical harm to another human being. If you disagree with the rule then disagree with the rule don't pin it on the people who have to enforce it. The refs are just doing their jobs.

Woah this is kind of absurd speculation from a thread where the person who bought up that 148's robot may be unsafe said that it was a rumor himself! (Obviously your comment is in general but it refers to 148 which was being discussed.) Unless you know something we dont I really wouldnt be throwing around accusations especially teams with great reputations like the Robo Wranglers. I highly doubt their robot has hurt anyone and I think the problem of the wire being too thin is trivial, how could that harm someone especially if everyone know about their robot, if that is indeed a problem.

[wesbass23]

Originally Posted by ThunderousPrime

Woah this is kind of absurd speculation from a thread where the person who bought up that 148's robot may be unsafe said that it was a rumor himself! (Obviously your comment is in general but it refers to 148 which was being discussed.) Unless you know something we dont I really wouldnt be throwing around accusations especially teams with great reputations like the Robo Wranglers. I highly doubt their robot has hurt anyone and I think the problem of the wire being too thin is trivial, how could that harm someone especially if everyone know about their robot, if that is indeed a problem.

Did he accuse 148 of anything? I don't think so.
I am pretty sure it was JVN that cleared up the refs reasoning. He said it was due to the color/visibility of the string.

[mrnoble]

Originally Posted by ThunderousPrime

Woah this is kind of absurd speculation from a thread where the person who bought up that 148's robot may be unsafe said that it was a rumor himself! (Obviously your comment is in general but it refers to 148 which was being discussed.) Unless you know something we dont I really wouldnt be throwing around accusations especially teams with great reputations like the Robo Wranglers. I highly doubt their robot has hurt anyone and I think the problem of the wire being too thin is trivial, how could that harm someone especially if everyone know about their robot, if that is indeed a problem.

Thin wires at waist level (or any level that would contact a person's body, really) could potentially result in serious injury if they are not easily visible. I am comparing it in my mind to the power cables that brought down a helicopter over the highway near Denver a couple of decades ago, resulting in the placement of "fishing bobs" on all wires that could result in such an accident. No one is accusing 148 of wrongdoing; rather, we are arguing that they can take their incredible design and make it safer with some simple modifications.

[ice.berg]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

DON'T THROW THE NOODLES UNTIL CO-OPERTITION IS ACHIEVED!

At Northern Lights we are calling this the Noodle Treaty.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Ricksta

Not surprised. Coop points will rule the rankings. At district champs and worlds, coop during qualifying will be expected.

I'm surprised to see no one starting with the yellow totes behind the glass. If you don't make a 3 stack in auto and load from HP, why not make it faster/easier to get that coop bonus.

From what I've seen in Nashua this would work for a lot of teams however most are really struggling to collect from the feeder station.

Overall a large majority don't fully understand the rules as do most teams who attend Week 1 events (we've been there).

Many teams started the day putting yellow totes on the scoring platform thinking they would score. Very few know you can ask for the yellow totes not to start on the field.

Averages would increase a lot of teams went for co-op more. Teams are slowly picking up on it though.

[auxchar]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

...DON'T THROW THE NOODLES UNTIL CO-OPERTITION IS ACHIEVED!

Huh. That's not a bad idea.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by BrendanB

Overall a large majority don't fully understand the rules as do most teams who attend Week 1 events (we've been there).

Many teams started the day putting yellow totes on the scoring platform thinking they would score. Very few know you can ask for the yellow totes not to start on the field.

In the case of Palmetto, not even the referees knew you could start with yellow totes off the field <3

[Zach101]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

In the case of Palmetto, not even the referees knew you could start with yellow totes off the field <3

Do far one team put a yellow tote on the scoring platform at northern lights. But most of all someone started in the auto zone

[blincoln1534@gm]

I am shocked personally at how teams who have been established for years are struggling...The scores really are lower than I expected, but then again its only week one...One thing is for certain though, get those CO-OP totes!

[PayneTrain]

^I'm not. It's inertia. Teams resistant to the giant fundamental change in this year's game tried to wrestle it in the box of old games. Also, some teams just aren't ready (we never do well at our first event).

[MrForbes]

I'm not much surprised by the capabilities of the robots...but I did think there would be more in the "middle of the pack", than there are in the "bottom of the pack".

It's going to be interesting to watch the season progress. I get to attend 5 regionals, starting next week.

[TDav540]

I would say that the total scores are surprising to me: I look and if a team can do the coop-stack consistently and a four stack with a bin, that's 64 pts for an average, not including partners. In every regional right now, that's a top 10 seed. I didn't expect that, but I also think it will improve later down the line.

[Zach101]

How surprised r u guys for autonomous? Like how little teams may have a good one or how good certain teams are at auto. Who's your favorite auto that has worked?

[PayneTrain]

The chutes right now are occasionally not even maintaining normal operation, and some teams don't understand what should and shouldn't be done, like

Breaking apart the landfill into the gap to prevent co-op is BAD if you can't get the broken up totes converted to the bumps.

Throwing noodles before the co-op conversion is stupid. Throwing noodles before the 60 second mark is almost as stupid.

These two things, along with the general team-specific issues can create a cascading effect of issues that will drive scores down.

Other issues:

Teams may not realize how silly they look when they create a 5 tote stack with no can.

Teams are committing really silly fouls. Throwing noodles after the 20 second mark is stupid, but there is another cascade effect of slightly vague rules and Q&As and blue boxes has caused a share of G6s.

Alliance partners are great at de-scoring totes another partner made.

[PVCpirate]

There are 0-0 matches every year in week 1, as well as teams committing dumb fouls, nothing to see here. I remember 2012 at championship seeing teams get fouls for throwing the balls too early.

One thing I will say is that stacking a tall capped stack onto your robot from the feeder station with a platform right next to it and dropping it off onto the platform is a great strategy. 4488 at Oregon City did it and was probably the best performing robot I saw all day on webcasts.