2 v 3 in Dallas

[Cory]

Originally Posted by DohertyBilly

G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:
A. in compliance with all ROBOT rules, i.e. it has passed Inspection. For exceptions regarding Practice MATCHES, see Section 5.2 – Practice MATCHES.
B. fully supported by the floor, SCORING PLATFORM, and/or SCORING PLATFORM ramps on their ALLIANCE’S side of the
FIELD, and
C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE.
VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met. If it is not a quick remedy the offending
ROBOT will be DISABLED and at the discretion of the Head REFEREE must be re-Inspected.

Nowhere in the pre-match rules does it state anything about being above the height limit, that is assumed to be part of G7-A, and is the responsibility of the inspectors. If 987 passed inspection with that add on, then there is no reason for them to be disabled, and if they didn't pass inspection there is no reason they would have gone through with that auto...what just happened?

It's plausible that they passed inspection but something got bent or moved from it's normal configuration, resulting in being out of spec.

It's not worth speculating until someone from 987 can explain what happened.

Very unfortunate that so many eliminations matches featured no shows or disabled robots due to teams supposedly taking too long to setup, or not being on the field in time.

I've seen lots of robots show up slightly late to the field and the field staff generally does everything they can to let them play. We have heard a little bit from people at the event and it sounds like the referees are doing everything they can to keep teams from playing, which is a shame for all involved.

[DohertyBilly]

Originally Posted by dodar

Doesnt the robot rules state a max height?

The transport configuration is checked during inspection, and that has the same max height. 987 wouldn't overlook the limit if they added the grabbers on on the field.

EDIT: I agree with Cory. No way to know until someone in the know says something. But I'm still disappointed that we have such a controversial decision in week one...

[dodar]

Originally Posted by DohertyBilly

The transport configuration is checked during inspection, and that has the same max height. 987 wouldn't overlook that if they added that on on the field.

No, but isnt their a max height limit for a match as well?

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by dodar

No, but isnt their a max height limit for a match as well?

78" is max height everywhere

[MariOlsen]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

For those who watched Dallas, did 2613 ever get the RC bins from the step in auto? If not, that is a brilliant move by that alliance to get 987 to forgo those 28 auto points (and eventually be deemed illegal).

2613 was disabled for breaking the plane of the landfill zone. So both of the teams going for a can grab were disabled.

[PayneTrain]

Week 1 Checklist

☑Incompetent Teams
☑Referees that don't know the rules
☑Seemingly intentionally vague rules and relative Q&A predictably turning out poorly for everyone
☑Events almost half a day behind schedule
☑Consistent rulings within events are wishful thinking, consistent rulings between events a forlorn hope
☑Obvious consequences related to schedule issue predictably turning out poorly
☑Controversial and likely embarrassing and borderline irresponsible rulings in eliminations

2015 bonuses:
☑Judges not aware of lack of feedback or mentor allowance changes regarding chairman's award
☑Key event volunteers unable to explain new scoring and slim format to audience

Thanks for showing up to Week 1, brothers and sisters. See you at Week 1 next year (when hell freezes over/stop build day ends, whichever comes first)

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

For those who watched Dallas, did 2613 ever get the RC bins from the step in auto? If not, that is a brilliant move by that alliance to get 987 to forgo those 28 auto points (and eventually be deemed illegal).

No

[AlexanderTheOK]

I can understand how this happens legally. If 987 made modifications, didn't get reinspected, and tried to play that way, they would be rightfully disabled under the rules.

I can't however for the life of me imagine that 987 would have simply not gotten inspected before their last match.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by AlexanderTheOK

I can understand how this happens legally. If 987 made modifications, didn't get reinspected, and tried to play that way, they would be rightfully disabled under the rules.

I can't however for the life of me imagine that 987 would have simply not gotten inspected before their last match.

They removed attachment (was useless) and still got called. They did not reinspect.

[MrTechCenter]

I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?

[DohertyBilly]

Originally Posted by MrTechCenter

I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?

G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:

C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE

VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met...

It shouldn't be very hard at all, given that that's what the rules say to do...

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by MrTechCenter

I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?

Personally I think its ridiculous teams can pre-hook RC's so see this as good rule not to break the plane.

[Chad987]

Originally Posted by AlexanderTheOK

I can understand how this happens legally. If 987 made modifications, didn't get reinspected, and tried to play that way, they would be rightfully disabled under the rules.

I can't however for the life of me imagine that 987 would have simply not gotten inspected before their last match.

Our robot hasn't been modified at all since we were inspected on thursday and measured in the state that got us disabled in final match 3.

[DanielPlotas]

Originally Posted by MrTechCenter

I think it's kind of ridiculous that breaking the plane of the landfill zone is an automatic disable without giving the team a chance to fix it. How hard is it to let the team on the field for 10 seconds to move their robot back a couple of inches?

I can somewhat understand disabling in a qualification match to keep things going, but in a playoff match, especially the final match, the referees should be trying to get as many robots able to play as possible.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by DohertyBilly

G7 When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:

C. completely outside of their AUTO ZONE and LANDFILL ZONE

VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met...

It shouldn't be very hard at all, given that that's what the rules say to do...

VIOLATION: If fix is a quick remedy, the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met. If it is not a quick remedy the offending
ROBOT will be DISABLED and at the discretion of the Head REFEREE must be re-Inspected.

"Quick" is relative, so it's possible the refs told them their arms were too tall, and then 987 couldn't remove them fast enough.