Strategy Badges

[April_robo]

I'm not sure about regionals but we run into this issue a lot at districts because there's a very high probability that one of your alliance members (or opposing alliance members for coop) has a short match turn around and can only be talked to in the que. My job is made especially hard because I am the lead strategist for both 3548 and 1188 as we are almost the same team, and don't have enough people for 2 lead strategists.

[rich2202]

cell phone.

[Chris is me]

I've done strategy without being on the drive team for several years now. It's tough.

The media pass helps. I also take photos and video for the team at events (really, I do), so I often have the media pass. In this case, I try to stay out of everyone's way, but I can join in on discussion during queueing. Once the robots start to move from queueing, I leave the area to get out of the way. This seems to work okay.

As a strategist not on the drive team though, the best way you can deal with this is to figure out probable strategies several matches in advance and talk to partners while your team is queueing / on the field for their previous match. Then once everyone is in the same place you can run through it quickly.

[eedoga]

What about going the other way...What if the coaches in each alliance were allowed to step out of the cue and go to a marked out strategy area along with 1 scout from each team...It could be off the field, and could be regulated to when the teams were not on deck...so 2 - 3 matches back depending on the depth of cueing?

Edoga

[April_robo]

Originally Posted by eedoga

What about going the other way...What if the coaches in each alliance were allowed to step out of the cue and go to a marked out strategy area along with 1 scout from each team...It could be off the field, and could be regulated to when the teams were not on deck...so 2 - 3 matches back depending on the depth of cueing?

Edoga

Originally Posted by Chris is me

As a strategist not on the drive team though, the best way you can deal with this is to figure out probable strategies several matches in advance and talk to partners while your team is queueing / on the field for their previous match. Then once everyone is in the same place you can run through it quickly.

And we still run into the problem of teams being out on the field while trying to do strategy.

[Sperkowsky]

You could text the drive team. I'm sure everyone has phones. Our scouts just text strategy to our drive team. Works fine. Only issue is when they venue has bad reception (NYC regional)

[Jacob Bendicksen]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Only issue is when they venue has bad reception (NYC regional)

Unfortunately, many events have bad reception, the Edward Jones Dome (Championship venue) in particular.

[April_robo]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

You could text the drive team. I'm sure everyone has phones. Our scouts just text strategy to our drive team. Works fine. Only issue is when they venue has bad reception (NYC regional)

This does not solve the issue of being able to talk to the other drive teams on your alliance.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by April_robo

This does not solve the issue of being able to talk to the other drive teams on your alliance.

I think regardless of a strategy badge or not it that will still be an issue.

[Basel A]

This isn't much of a problem because we simply work out as much strategy as possible pre-queue. At many events the queue is right next to the field boundary and you can discuss over the barrier anyway. Worst case, I'll tell our drive coach the main points and let him work it out. A coach who can't do that shouldn't be the coach.

Having someone separate from the drive coach responsible for strategy is great because it allows the drive coach to have focus other things when necessary (e.g. fixing/improving the robot). Further, these strategy talks are negotiations, and having two people who agree (can't remember the last time our coach and I disagreed) makes a stronger argument.

I don't know how much a "strategy badge" would help. I'm going to districts with the same schedule as yours, and I haven't had problems. Frankly, running our scouting operation, I don't have the time to be in queue.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

The media pass helps.

Discussing strategy with your teammates is a quick way to get the media pass pulled.


Perhaps the coach can come out of line to speak with the strategy person, then return to the queue to join the rest of the drive/HP team. Three people should be enough to go through the queue checklists.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Discussing strategy with your teammates is a quick way to get the media pass pulled.

Under what rule does this fall under?

I understand if the pass is being pulled by someone exclusively using it as a "5th drive team member" badge or something, but if the person wearing the badge is actually there to take pictures and / or video, I don't understand. It's illegal for a team's media representative to talk to their team?

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Discussing strategy with your teammates is a quick way to get the media pass pulled.


Perhaps the coach can come out of line to speak with the strategy person, then return to the queue to join the rest of the drive/HP team. Three people should be enough to go through the queue checklists.

Working on the robot is what get's them in trouble.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Working on the robot is what get's them in trouble.

Under what rule?

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Under what rule?

Media Pass has never been allowed to work on the robot.