updated scoreboard of dallas regional

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Tanis

The data is stored locally on the FMS.

May I ask what is your source for that info?

And is that something new for 2015, or was it also being done in previous years?

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by Ether

May I ask what is your source for that info?

And is that something new for 2015, or was it also being done in previous years?

Ether,

I've been a Scorekeeper in previous years (so this feature may or may not exist this year, but I'd be pretty surprised if it weren't) and FMS would store results locally after every match. It would back up locally and to a flash drive, if one was plugged in. A full backup database would be triggered every 5 matches, or manually by the scorekeeper.

Additionally, at the end of the event, the Scorekepper would export a good amount of data (including match results) to excel format and give it to the FTA. I don't remember if that was standard procedure, or just good practice from the FTAs I've worked with.

I think it's a pretty safe bet the data exists somewhere, but it's a much bigger question if somebody will go through and take all that data off the field manually.

[plnyyanks]

Also, I've created a Google Spreadsheet to crowdsource match results from this week, in case we don't get week 1 data officially.

If you have any data, please enter it here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...6t4/edit#gid=0

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by plnyyanks

Ether,

I've been a Scorekeeper in previous years (so this feature may or may not exist this year, but I'd be pretty surprised if it weren't) and FMS would store results locally after every match. It would back up locally and to a flash drive, if one was plugged in. A full backup database would be triggered every 5 matches, or manually by the scorekeeper.

Additionally, at the end of the event, the Scorekepper would export a good amount of data (including match results) to excel format and give it to the FTA. I don't remember if that was standard procedure, or just good practice from the FTAs I've worked with.

I think it's a pretty safe bet the data exists somewhere, but it's a much bigger question if somebody will go through and take all that data off the field manually.

This is still standard practice. Also standard practice is FIRST using a file transfer system, completely outside FMS, to pull the database from the field to HQ after the event.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

standard practice is FIRST using a file transfer system, completely outside FMS, to pull the database from the field to HQ after the event.

Then what does HQ do with that data?

[Bryan Herbst]

Originally Posted by Ether

Then what does HQ do with that data?

That I don't know. I believe they use that data for stastical purposes (highest scores, average scores, cycle times, etc), and for reviewing match logs if there are any issues that they need to investigate (such as the issues with the field network being compromised at champs a few years back) or problems that are popping up at multiple regionals (say for example if there is a bug in the FMS software causing matches to misbehave).

Again, this is just my speculation as to what they do with the data they pull after events.

[Rachel Lim]

http://frc-events.usfirst.org/ has data for qualification matches, elimination matches, and rankings for some regionals and district events that TBA doesn't. From what I can tell the three come together (if an event has one, it has all three) but I didn't test every single one. Elims have results but the teams in alliances past QFs aren't included.

Those that have data:

• Southern Florida: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/FLFO/qualifications
• Lake Superior: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MNDU/qualifications
• Northern Lights: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MNDU2/qualifications
• Palmetto: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/SCMB/qualifications
• Dallas: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/TXDA/qualifications
• FiM Howell: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MIHOW/qualifications
• FiM Southfield: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MISOU/qualifications
• FiM Standish: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MISTA/qualifications
• PNW Aubern: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/WAAMV/qualifications
• IN Indianapolis: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/ININD/qualifications
• MAR Hatboro-Horsham: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/PAHAT/qualifications

Those I can't find data for:

• Inland Empire
• Georgia Southern
• NE Granite State (schedule but no data)
• NE Waterbury (schedule but no data)
• PNW Oregon City

This has been the best source for match data (and the only one that comes directly from FIRST) that I've found so far.

[plnyyanks]

TBA implements the broken API and turned off its queries this weekend to try and ease the load on FIRST's server and to avoid wasting CPU time/bandwidth when the API would clearly not give back any data. We'll work on getting the data that is available up soon, either manually or by updating the html parsers for this year's format.

Edit: or by reactivating the API, which appears to be working again...

[Eugene Fang]

All the data that is available through frc-events.usfirst.org is in TBA now.
TBA also has playoff alliances past the quarterfinals.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015flfo
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mndu
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mndu2
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015scmb
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015txda
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mihow
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015misou
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mista
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015waamv
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015inind
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015pahat

[Ether]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

This is still standard practice. Also standard practice is FIRST using a file transfer system, completely outside FMS, to pull the database from the field to HQ after the event.

Does this mean that somewhere at HQ is a copy of the complete Twitter data from 2014, including all the data that was missing because of datalink problems at events?

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Ether

Does this mean that somewhere at HQ is a copy of the complete Twitter data from 2014, including all the data that was missing because of datalink problems at events?

No recorded Twitter feed. It would be final match results as you'd normally find on the FIRST website.

[Eugene Fang]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

No recorded Twitter feed. It would be final match results as you'd normally find on the FIRST website.

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

That's exactly why I was asking: auton/teleop/assist/truss alliance scores per match, not a total sum of alliance score categories per team.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

Sorry, it does include those breakdowns.
The database, a priori, includes everything necessary for the Head Ref/Scorekeeper to be able to review and correct the different scoring elements of previous matches.

When a team stands in the Question box and politely discusses the previous match scores with the Head Ref, the database has all the information required.

[Ether]

Now I'm confused. What's the difference between

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

and

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

Sorry, it does include those breakdowns.
The database includes everything necessary for the Scorekeeper/Head Ref to be able to review and correct the different scoring elements of previous matches.