updated scoreboard of dallas regional

[Ether]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

standard practice is FIRST using a file transfer system, completely outside FMS, to pull the database from the field to HQ after the event.

Then what does HQ do with that data?

[Bryan Herbst]

Originally Posted by Ether

Then what does HQ do with that data?

That I don't know. I believe they use that data for stastical purposes (highest scores, average scores, cycle times, etc), and for reviewing match logs if there are any issues that they need to investigate (such as the issues with the field network being compromised at champs a few years back) or problems that are popping up at multiple regionals (say for example if there is a bug in the FMS software causing matches to misbehave).

Again, this is just my speculation as to what they do with the data they pull after events.

[Rachel Lim]

http://frc-events.usfirst.org/ has data for qualification matches, elimination matches, and rankings for some regionals and district events that TBA doesn't. From what I can tell the three come together (if an event has one, it has all three) but I didn't test every single one. Elims have results but the teams in alliances past QFs aren't included.

Those that have data:

• Southern Florida: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/FLFO/qualifications
• Lake Superior: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MNDU/qualifications
• Northern Lights: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MNDU2/qualifications
• Palmetto: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/SCMB/qualifications
• Dallas: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/TXDA/qualifications
• FiM Howell: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MIHOW/qualifications
• FiM Southfield: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MISOU/qualifications
• FiM Standish: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/MISTA/qualifications
• PNW Aubern: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/WAAMV/qualifications
• IN Indianapolis: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/ININD/qualifications
• MAR Hatboro-Horsham: http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/PAHAT/qualifications

Those I can't find data for:

• Inland Empire
• Georgia Southern
• NE Granite State (schedule but no data)
• NE Waterbury (schedule but no data)
• PNW Oregon City

This has been the best source for match data (and the only one that comes directly from FIRST) that I've found so far.

[plnyyanks]

TBA implements the broken API and turned off its queries this weekend to try and ease the load on FIRST's server and to avoid wasting CPU time/bandwidth when the API would clearly not give back any data. We'll work on getting the data that is available up soon, either manually or by updating the html parsers for this year's format.

Edit: or by reactivating the API, which appears to be working again...

[Eugene Fang]

All the data that is available through frc-events.usfirst.org is in TBA now.
TBA also has playoff alliances past the quarterfinals.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015flfo
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mndu
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mndu2
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015scmb
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015txda
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mihow
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015misou
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015mista
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015waamv
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015inind
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2015pahat

[Ether]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

This is still standard practice. Also standard practice is FIRST using a file transfer system, completely outside FMS, to pull the database from the field to HQ after the event.

Does this mean that somewhere at HQ is a copy of the complete Twitter data from 2014, including all the data that was missing because of datalink problems at events?

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Ether

Does this mean that somewhere at HQ is a copy of the complete Twitter data from 2014, including all the data that was missing because of datalink problems at events?

No recorded Twitter feed. It would be final match results as you'd normally find on the FIRST website.

[Eugene Fang]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

No recorded Twitter feed. It would be final match results as you'd normally find on the FIRST website.

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

That's exactly why I was asking: auton/teleop/assist/truss alliance scores per match, not a total sum of alliance score categories per team.

[MikeE]

Originally Posted by Ether

Does this mean that somewhere at HQ is a copy of the complete Twitter data from 2014, including all the data that was missing because of datalink problems at events?

Based on my limited understanding of the system I believe the twitter data was generated on-the-fly, so it's unlikely that the it exists separately anywhere.
However you're really looking for a breakdown of the match score. Twitter was one of the two public sources providing score component level data, the other being audience result screens (which are somewhat less convenient to parse!).

I do know that component scores are part of the event database but not if this level of detail is maintained after the season.
You would have to ask FRC HQ if that data is still available, but obviously that's going to be a low priority compared to their critical work on this season.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by MikeE

Based on my limited understanding of the system I believe the twitter data was generated on-the-fly, so it's unlikely that the it exists separately anywhere.

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but it seems to me that the designers of the FMS scoring database would have saved all the alliance scores for each match (i.e. the Twitter data), not just the final total scores. We're not talking gigabytes here.

However you're really looking for a breakdown of the match score.

Correct.

Twitter was one of the two public sources providing score component level data, the other being audience result screens (which are somewhat less convenient to parse!).

Could you elaborate what you mean by audience result screens? I think you are joking, but just want to make sure.

I do know that component scores are part of the event database but not if this level of detail is maintained after the season.

That's basically what I am asking, and getting conflicting responses.

You would have to ask FRC HQ if that data is still available,

Been there, done that, never got a response.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

Sorry, it does include those breakdowns.
The database, a priori, includes everything necessary for the Head Ref/Scorekeeper to be able to review and correct the different scoring elements of previous matches.

When a team stands in the Question box and politely discusses the previous match scores with the Head Ref, the database has all the information required.

[Ether]

Now I'm confused. What's the difference between

Originally Posted by Eugene Fang

So no auton/teleop/assist/truss/etc. breakdowns?

and

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

Sorry, it does include those breakdowns.
The database includes everything necessary for the Scorekeeper/Head Ref to be able to review and correct the different scoring elements of previous matches.

[Mark McLeod]

I don't understand the question either :-)
So my phrasing is deficient.

[Joe Ross]

I think the difference is between the data being potentially available, and FIRST spending the money to make it available, especially considering all the other things that they are working on.