[FF]: 2015 Season Long Fantasy FIRST: Traditional League

[orangemoore]

So now that week one is over how does scoring get done?

[PVCpirate]

Well right now I don't think complete match data is available for all the events, so right now we wait. Once that happens, some of us have to go through and score all the teams, although there might be some stuff to automate some of the process. Then the scores for each FF player get totaled up and the event score is added to the standings.

Also, I vote for either using the district points and not giving our usual ranking points or using our usual ranking points and not having anything in place of win/loss points.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by PVCpirate

Once that happens, some of us have to go through and score all the teams, although there might be some stuff to automate some of the process. Then the scores for each FF player get totaled up and the event score is added to the standings.

Also, I vote for either using the district points and not giving our usual ranking points or using our usual ranking points and not having anything in place of win/loss points.

Using our usual ranking points and not having anything else isn't gonna work past #15 or #16--everybody gets zero beyond that unless they're picked or pick up hardware. That would be... rather bad for a lot of folks in single-tier events.


Everybody OK with using FIRST's system for the year, with no separate FF ranking points? Unless I suddenly hear a lot of negativity on this, I think that's about the way to go. Awards points and elims finishes won't change, BTW.

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by EricH

Everybody OK with using FIRST's system for the year, with no separate FF ranking points? Unless I suddenly hear a lot of negativity on this, I think that's about the way to go. Awards points and elims finishes won't change, BTW.

It would certainly make things a lot easier. If everyone is OK with it, my bet is that I can ask Alex at HQ to spit out all district point equivalent data (not just districts) for teams at all events for us. He was doing some of this last year with the original District Ranking System which is now FIRST's main Database source. He's likely a little preoccupied right now though considering...

*Edit: Alex said these values will be available for non-district teams that compete in districts, but not exposed for non-district events

[Maldridge422]

Originally Posted by EricH

Everybody OK with using FIRST's system for the year, with no separate FF ranking points? Unless I suddenly hear a lot of negativity on this, I think that's about the way to go. Awards points and elims finishes won't change, BTW.

Sounds good to me.

[Maldridge422]

I've been working on some of the scoring, using FIRST's district ranking points system. It looks like the Northern Lights data is complete. Can someone confirm these scores look right?

Scores for Northern Lights Regional:

Falcon			122
Koko's X-Cats		118
Team SuperPowerMatic	110
Rotten Peach Alliance	108
The Yellow Alliance	92
Swamp Life		70
Daedalite InVAders	66
SHARP Cheddar		54
Brolliance Beta		53
Orange Juice		49
The Breakfast Company	49
Frog Farce		44
PureMichigan		43
LTown Throwdown		38

Spoiler for points breakdown:

PureMichigan:
2169 won the Industrial Design Award sponsored by General Motors (15 points)
2169 was rank 30 (12 points)
2169 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
4226 was rank 59 (4 points)
2518 was rank 48 (8 points)
Total points: 43

Orange Juice:
5148 was rank 17 (15 points)
4624 was rank 6 (19 points)
4624 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
3381 was rank 35 (11 points)
Total points: 49

SHARP Cheddar:
27 won the Entrepreneurship Award sponsored by Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers (2 points)
27 was rank 9 (17 points)
27 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
5232 was rank 12 (16 points)
5232 were semifinalists (10 points)
877 was rank 57 (5 points)
Total points: 54

The Breakfast Company:
3883 was rank 14 (16 points)
3883 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
4623 was rank 4 (20 points)
4623 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
4671 was rank 56 (5 points)
Total points: 49

Swamp Life:
3055 won the Excellence in Engineering Award sponsored by Delphi (15 points)
3055 was rank 13 (16 points)
3055 were semifinalists (10 points)
5720 was rank 44 (9 points)
3750 won the Judges' Award (5 points)
3750 was rank 18 (15 points)
Total points: 70

LTown Throwdown:
2502 was rank 36 (11 points)
2502 were semifinalists (10 points)
3054 was rank 52 (7 points)
2847 won the Gracious Professionalism Award sponsored by Johnson & Johnson (2 points)
2847 was rank 49 (8 points)
Total points: 38

Frog Farce:
4656 won the FIRST Dean's List Finalist Award (4 points)
4656 was rank 43 (9 points)
4656 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
2705 was rank 20 (14 points)
3723 was rank 26 (13 points)
Total points: 44

Koko's X-Cats:
2512 won the Team Spirit Award sponsored by Chrysler (2 points)
2512 won the FIRST Dean's List Finalist Award (4 points)
2512 won the Woodie Flowers Finalist Award (8 points)
2512 won the Regional Finalists (20 points)
2512 won the Regional Chairman's Award (42 points)
2512 was rank 7 (18 points)
2479 was rank 47 (8 points)
2574 was rank 31 (12 points)
2574 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
Total points: 118

Rotten Peach Alliance:
3130 won the Innovation in Control Award sponsored by Rockwell Automation (15 points)
3130 won the Regional Winners (30 points)
3130 was rank 1 (22 points)
3130 got the high score (5 points)
876 was rank 11 (17 points)
876 were semifinalists (10 points)
2491 was rank 46 (9 points)
Total points: 108

Falcon:
525 won the Imagery Award in honor of Jack Kamen (2 points)
525 won the Regional Winners (30 points)
525 was rank 2 (21 points)
525 got the high score (5 points)
5638 won the Highest Rookie Seed (5 points)
5638 won the Rookie Inspiration Award (15 points)
5638 was rank 8 (18 points)
5638 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
2846 was rank 29 (12 points)
2846 were semifinalists (10 points)
Total points: 122

The Yellow Alliance:
5172 won the Quality Award sponsored by Motorola (15 points)
5172 won the Regional Finalists (20 points)
5172 was rank 3 (20 points)
5290 was rank 15 (16 points)
2501 was rank 10 (17 points)
2501 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
Total points: 92

Team SuperPowerMatic:
4215 won the Regional Winners (30 points)
4215 was rank 21 (14 points)
4215 got the high score (5 points)
5464 won the Rookie All Star Award (20 points)
5464 was rank 51 (7 points)
4786 won the Industrial Safety Award sponsored by Underwriters Laboratories (2 points)
4786 won the Regional Finalists (20 points)
4786 was rank 33 (12 points)
Total points: 110

Brolliance Beta:
2175 was rank 27 (13 points)
2175 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
4207 won the Creativity Award sponsored by Xerox (15 points)
4207 was rank 58 (4 points)
4207 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
4238 was rank 25 (13 points)
Total points: 53

Daedalite InVAders:
4531 was rank 60 (3 points)
2500 won the Regional Engineering Inspiration Award (36 points)
2500 was rank 22 (14 points)
2500 were quarterfinalists (4 points)
3926 was rank 45 (9 points)
Total points: 66

[orangemoore]

I just realized that one of my picks (4101) in the PNW District draft doesn't exist as a PNW team. I assume I need to change that right?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

I just realized that one of my picks (4101) in the PNW District draft doesn't exist as a PNW team. I assume I need to change that right?

Yup. Just don't pick a team that's played more than once.


With the data back online, is any scoring happening?

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by EricH

With the data back online, is any scoring happening?

I can do some scoring I just need to have an updated sheet/document laying out what everything(Awards/Ranking/Playoffs) is worth.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

I can do some scoring I just need to have an updated sheet/document laying out what everything(Awards/Ranking/Playoffs) is worth.

Relevant items (from the SLFF rules document, W-L-T and ranking removed, and from FIRST's published method):

Ranking is using the District Ranking system (which is a formula based on number of teams at event, ranking of team in question, and a normalization factor). I'm going to have a hard time reproducing it here, but I'll try--see spoiler.

Winner, 30 points
Finalist, 20 points
Semifinalist, 10 points
Quarterfinalist, 4 points

Woodie Flowers Finalist Award, 8 points
Regional Chairman’s Award, 42 points
Engineering Inspiration, 36 points
Rookie All-Star, 20 points
Rookie Inspiration, 15 points

Highest Rookie Seed, 5 points
High score, 5 points
Judges Award, 5 points
Robot-based award (Delphi, Xerox, GM, Rockwell, Motorola), 15 points
Dean’s List, 4 points
Any award not previously mentioned, 2 points

Spoiler for district ranking:

QP(R,N,a)=(Inverse Error((N-2R+2)/aN)(10/Inverse Error(1/a))+12), round up to the nearest point.

R is the Rank, N is the Number of teams at the event, a is 1.07 (normalization).

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by EricH

Spoiler for district ranking:

QP(R,N,a)=abs(InvERF((N-2R+2)/aN)(10/InvERF(1/a))+12)

R is the Rank, N is the Number of teams at the event, a is 1.07 (normalization). Now if I can just figure out the what the InvERF stands for, we're all set.

Have you seen this document?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

Have you seen this document?

Oh, THAT's where it was! I thought I'd seen something explaining the system. Will adjust the spoiler. And if an event you're scoring has the number of teams in the tables... well, now, seems like it'd be a bit of a pain to use the equation a bunch of times, no?

[BrennanB]

If someone shoots me the scores I can shoot up a current FF ranking doc.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by EricH

Oh, THAT's where it was! I thought I'd seen something explaining the system. Will adjust the spoiler. And if an event you're scoring has the number of teams in the tables... well, now, seems like it'd be a bit of a pain to use the equation a bunch of times, no?

I recreated the formula in in excel (I think). With events that have 24 - 70 teams. It looks correct but I am not totally sure.

Here is the just Numbers version on Google Docs.

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

I recreated the formula in in excel (I think). With events that have 24 - 70 teams. It looks correct but I am not totally sure.

Here is the just Numbers version on Google Docs.

That's not quite right. For example, in the "37" column you have the 4th rank team getting 20 points, when in reality they got 19 points.

I've added the script I've been using (which, as far as I can tell, has been consistent with the official rankings) to your spreadsheet. You can find it under Tools->Script Editor. I'm put my values on another page in your spreadsheet.

If you want to use the script just type "=points(N, R)" where N is the number of teams and R is the rank.