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Adding on to this, if anyone truly wants to do the math themselves it's worth mentioning that you'll end up with an over-determined system and a non-invertible matrix. Because of this, |Ax-b|=0 probably doesn't exist (every robot would have to contribute the exact same amount of points every match for that to happen) and you have to settle for minimizing |Ax-b| instead. This is done via a formula called linear least squares, which is essentially just left-multiplying both sides by the pseudo-inverse of A, to pseudo-solve it, if you will.
It's important to note that in your (excellent) discussion above, [A] is a non-square binary matrix (each element is either 1 or 0) with 2M rows and T columns, where M is the number of matches and T is the number of teams... and [b] is a 2M by 1 column vector of alliance scores. So [A][x]≈[b] is indeed an overdetermined system which has no exact solution.

But if you look carefully at the way saikiranra defined the matrix [A] and the column vector [b], you'll see that his [A] is actually [N]=[AT][A] and his [b] is actually [d]=[AT][b].

[N] will be a square symmetric positive definite matrix, and [N][x]=[d] will have an exact solution because it's already in the Normalized Equations form. The exact solution to [N][x]=[d] will be the least-squares approximate solution to [A][x]≈[b] (to within computer floating-point rounding error).

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you have to settle for minimizing |Ax-b| instead. This is done via a formula called linear least squares...
It is also important to note that least squares is not the only criterion for minimizing the residual vector ε=[A][x]-[b]. For example, you could choose to minimize the L1 norm of ε (least absolute deviation) instead of minimizing the L2 norm (least squares).

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which is essentially just left-multiplying both sides by the pseudo-inverse of A, to pseudo-solve it, if you will.
That is conceptually true, but it is far faster (computationally) to form the system [N][x]=[d] and solve it that way.


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Can anyone show me how to use the thebluealliance.com API to get ranking, match and alliance selection data? I am not able to get it from the FIRST website. I am hoping I don't have to do manual copy and paste. I would like to call it from VBA in my Excel scouting database. Is that possible?
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Can anyone show me how to use the thebluealliance.com API to get ranking, match and alliance selection data? I am not able to get it from the FIRST website. I am hoping I don't have to do manual copy and paste. I would like to call it from VBA in my Excel scouting database. Is that possible?
Not an Excel wizard, but I can help with the TBA API. You can find the documentation here.

Keep in mind all requested need a 'X-TBA-App-Id' header (or GET URL parameter, see below), it'll look like: '<team/person id>:<app description>:<version> '

Here are the endpoints you'll need (you can play around with test requests on the apidocs page)

Rankings: /api/v2/event/<key>/rankings
Results: /api/v2/event/<key>/matches
Alliances: /api/v2/event/<key> [alliances will be a field in this response]


You can also get the calculated OPR/DPR/CCWM stats at /api/v2/event/<key>/stats

And here are a couple StackOverflow threads that may or may not be helpful fetching/parsing JSON data:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...-unknown-proxy
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...rnal-libraries
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Keep in mind all requested need a 'X-TBA-App-Id' header, it'll look like: '<team/person id>:<app description>:<version> '
Can you give a full example using the "/api/v2/event/<key>/matches" endpoint?

Can this just be typed into the URL bar of a browser?

Can it be typed at a Windows or Linux command line, and have the output redirected to a file?



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Can you give a full example using the "/api/v2/event/<key>/matches" endpoint?

Can this just be typed into the URL bar of a browser?

Can it be typed at a Windows or Linux command line, and have the output redirected to a file?
The API works with all HTTP GET requests, so you can enter it in a browser, provided you provide a GET paramter 'X-TBA-App-Id' with your ID. Otherwise, it'll just throw an error (like this). Here is an example of a properly formed URL.

I keep the following bash alias on my computer that I use for test calls
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alias tba-api="curl --header 'X-TBA-App-Id:plnyyanks:curl:0.1'"
That way, I can run things like this:
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➜  phil@fedora ~ tba-api http://www.thebluealliance.com/api/v2/event/2014necmp/matches
[{"comp_level": "f", "match_number": 1, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "ZRTRszl2iXw"}], "time_string": "3:18 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_f1m1", "time": "1397330280", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 154, "teams": ["frc177", "frc230", "frc4055"]}, "red": {"score": 78, "teams": ["frc195", "frc558", "frc5122"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "f", "match_number": 2, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "-ijeqxwp7EI"}, {"type": "youtube", "key": "UJEDkibEIVM"}], "time_string": "3:24 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_f1m2", "time": "1397330640", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 210, "teams": ["frc4055", "frc230", "frc177"]}, "red": {"score": 114, "teams": ["frc195", "frc558", "frc5122"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 1, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "ICPrgPalH74"}], "time_string": "1:30 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qf1m1", "time": "1397323800", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 101, "teams": ["frc1058", "frc2067", "frc172"]}, "red": {"score": 246, "teams": ["frc5122", "frc558", "frc195"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 2, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "iX5wK_hqb3M"}], "time_string": "1:54 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qf1m2", "time": "1397325240", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 212, "teams": ["frc2067", "frc172", "frc1058"]}, "red": {"score": 88, "teams": ["frc195", "frc5122", "frc558"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 3, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "n5FLwsJpNYI"}], "time_string": "2:18 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qf1m3", "time": "1397326680", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 94, "teams": ["frc2067", "frc172", "frc1058"]}, "red": {"score": 194, "teams": ["frc5122", "frc558", "frc195"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 1, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "wInXE0_GiTs"}], "time_string": "1:36 PM", "set_number": 2, "key": "2014necmp_qf2m1", "time": "1397324160", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 151, "teams": ["frc1519", "frc3467", "frc58"]}, "red": {"score": 211, "teams": ["frc811", "frc78", "frc716"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 2, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "04Kjt-mFS6c"}], "time_string": "2:00 PM", "set_number": 2, "key": "2014necmp_qf2m2", "time": "1397325600", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 216, "teams": ["frc3467", "frc58", "frc1519"]}, "red": {"score": 161, "teams": ["frc716", "frc811", "frc78"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 3, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "bscdxXcRaVg"}], "time_string": "2:24 PM", "set_number": 2, "key": "2014necmp_qf2m3", "time": "1397327040", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 180, "teams": ["frc3467", "frc58", "frc1519"]}, "red": {"score": 182, "teams": ["frc716", "frc811", "frc78"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 1, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "FmNkU9GFWa0"}], "time_string": "1:42 PM", "set_number": 3, "key": "2014necmp_qf3m1", "time": "1397324520", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 231, "teams": ["frc3525", "frc2168", "frc228"]}, "red": {"score": 220, "teams": ["frc125", "frc1153", "frc4048"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 2, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "-jCxjA8w2k8"}], "time_string": "2:06 PM", "set_number": 3, "key": "2014necmp_qf3m2", "time": "1397325960", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 205, "teams": ["frc2168", "frc3525", "frc228"]}, "red": {"score": 151, "teams": ["frc4048", "frc125", "frc1153"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 1, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "ziu8fwYooX8"}], "time_string": "1:48 PM", "set_number": 4, "key": "2014necmp_qf4m1", "time": "1397324880", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 146, "teams": ["frc1073", "frc131", "frc175"]}, "red": {"score": 185, "teams": ["frc4055", "frc230", "frc177"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qf", "match_number": 2, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "APkUOZqQn2w"}], "time_string": "2:12 PM", "set_number": 4, "key": "2014necmp_qf4m2", "time": "1397326320", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 166, "teams": ["frc175", "frc131", "frc1073"]}, "red": {"score": 170, "teams": ["frc4055", "frc177", "frc230"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 1, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "wIr2wRz6IAM"}], "time_string": "2:30 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm1", "time": "1397154600", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 128, "teams": ["frc131", "frc319", "frc1153"]}, "red": {"score": 119, "teams": ["frc61", "frc4048", "frc1099"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 10, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "xFacbW3X64A"}], "time_string": "3:33 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm10", "time": "1397158380", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 275, "teams": ["frc558", "frc58", "frc125"]}, "red": {"score": 177, "teams": ["frc4761", "frc61", "frc811"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 100, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "uh6kxQSPs-U"}], "time_string": "11:01 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm100", "time": "1397314860", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 116, "teams": ["frc1735", "frc69", "frc138"]}, "red": {"score": 148, "teams": ["frc999", "frc1073", "frc716"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 101, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "cHWKLbzau54"}], "time_string": "11:08 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm101", "time": "1397315280", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 98, "teams": ["frc2064", "frc1058", "frc4909"]}, "red": {"score": 186, "teams": ["frc4761", "frc237", "frc3467"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 102, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "Z_ZEAOhlj4E"}], "time_string": "11:15 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm102", "time": "1397315700", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 102, "teams": ["frc78", "frc3525", "frc133"]}, "red": {"score": 201, "teams": ["frc230", "frc558", "frc1099"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 103, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "tkzPMwUXrNY"}], "time_string": "11:22 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm103", "time": "1397316120", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 136, "teams": ["frc131", "frc4048", "frc2648"]}, "red": {"score": 173, "teams": ["frc811", "frc246", "frc2067"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 104, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "BaqX0J3mbUE"}], "time_string": "11:29 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm104", "time": "1397316540", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 146, "teams": ["frc2877", "frc4564", "frc1991"]}, "red": {"score": 190, "teams": ["frc4473", "frc5122", "frc195"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 105, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "ESWcSwEcXRw"}], "time_string": "11:36 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm105", "time": "1397316960", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 146, "teams": ["frc1517", "frc3930", "frc58"]}, "red": {"score": 153, "teams": ["frc172", "frc176", "frc166"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 106, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "i-y1nd-a6YU"}], "time_string": "11:43 AM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm106", "time": "1397317380", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 191, "teams": ["frc175", "frc1519", "frc2168"]}, "red": {"score": 122, "teams": ["frc4055", "frc4925", "frc228"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 11, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "eknIU2Skr-M"}], "time_string": "3:40 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm11", "time": "1397158800", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 126, "teams": ["frc2067", "frc1991", "frc4055"]}, "red": {"score": 247, "teams": ["frc3525", "frc1153", "frc172"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 12, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "h49-_UAtmFQ"}], "time_string": "3:47 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm12", "time": "1397159220", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 165, "teams": ["frc69", "frc1519", "frc78"]}, "red": {"score": 136, "teams": ["frc1099", "frc1058", "frc1517"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 13, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "R_yU1efuMdA"}], "time_string": "3:54 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm13", "time": "1397159640", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 127, "teams": ["frc4473", "frc131", "frc2064"]}, "red": {"score": 122, "teams": ["frc999", "frc2168", "frc228"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 14, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "UxnxjBftKfY"}], "time_string": "4:01 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm14", "time": "1397160060", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 170, "teams": ["frc4048", "frc175", "frc4564"]}, "red": {"score": 167, "teams": ["frc178", "frc2084", "frc176"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 15, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "L4o5S_5OHV4"}], "time_string": "4:08 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm15", "time": "1397160480", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 185, "teams": ["frc230", "frc3467", "frc195"]}, "red": {"score": 102, "teams": ["frc4958", "frc138", "frc1100"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 16, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "4K2s3vnqXgY"}, {"type": "youtube", "key": "Yz4h6lCLyv4"}], "time_string": "4:15 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm16", "time": "1397160900", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 118, "teams": ["frc2648", "frc177", "frc4908"]}, "red": {"score": 141, "teams": ["frc133", "frc166", "frc716"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 17, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": "ZJxBMPE8fRQ"}], "time_string": "4:22 PM", "set_number": 1, "key": "2014necmp_qm17", "time": "1397161320", "score_breakdown": null, "alliances": {"blue": {"score": 147, "teams": ["frc246", "frc2877", "frc3930"]}, "red": {"score": 142, "teams": ["frc3461", "frc4909", "frc319"]}}, "event_key": "2014necmp"}, {"comp_level": "qm", "match_number": 18, "videos": [{"type": "youtube", "key": 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The API works with all HTTP GET requests, so you can enter it in a browser, provided you have some extension that allows you to set the X-TBA-App-Id header. Otherwise, it'll just throw an error (like this)


Actually, the X-TBA-App-Id can be set as a URL param. Example: http://www.thebluealliance.com/api/v...ugene:test:v01

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Actually, the X-TBA-App-Id can be set as a URL param. Example: http://www.thebluealliance.com/api/v...ugene:test:v01
I just noticed that URL retrieves 2014 data.

I replaced "2014necmp" with "2015inind" and examined the resulting data... and the "score breakdown" doesn't appear to include coopertition, tote, or container. Am I doing something wrong, or is the shiny new 2015 FRC API not providing that data?



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I just noticed that URL retrieves 2014 data.

I replaced "2014necmp" with "2015inind" and examined the resulting data... and the "score breakdown" doesn't appear to include coopertition, tote, or container. Am I doing something wrong, or is the shiny new 2015 FRC API not providing that data?
It's not in the API https://usfirst.collab.net/sf/go/artf4008
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Thanks Joe for that authoritative and definitive link.

So no Twitter data for 2015, and no per-match scoring categories in the API. Very un-inspiring for the stats mavens :-(

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Any thoughts this year on "Modified" OPR? Looking at competition scores, I am a bit inclined to divide the Co-Op portion of the points in half. I would put this similar to 2012 whee you had to add points for the Co-Op bridge. In this scenario, both alliances have to bring some Co-Op to the middle in order to get the points.

I can definitely see where component OPR (RCs, Co-Ops, Totes,...) would be powerful this year if you do not have scouting.
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Any thoughts this year on "Modified" OPR? Looking at competition scores, I am a bit inclined to divide the Co-Op portion of the points in half. I would put this similar to 2012 whee you had to add points for the Co-Op bridge. In this scenario, both alliances have to bring some Co-Op to the middle in order to get the points.

I can definitely see where component OPR (RCs, Co-Ops, Totes,...) would be powerful this year if you do not have scouting.
Please someone make an easy to use (at event) component OPR calc

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I'd totally do this if I didn't have to go to class in an hour and wasn't volunteering this weekend.

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I'm really interested in that DPR this year...
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By my calculations, DPR this year is 83% fear factor and 17% taking-cans-in-auto*

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