Which 3 robots would form the most overpowered alliance?

[Mockapapella]

I'd love to hear what you guys think

[cmrnpizzo14]

Pending 1678, but going off of their teaser...

148, 1114, 1678

148 stacks from the feeder, 1114 stacks from the landfill, 1678 grabs all the recycle bins off of the step.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

Pending 1678, but going off of their teaser...

148, 1114, 1678

148 stacks from the feeder, 1114 stacks from the landfill, 1678 grabs all the recycle bins off of the step.

This. Or 148 + 1114 + whoever is the fastest 4 RC grabber. Just saw 1114 make 3 capped landfill stacks solo. 148 can usually manage 3-4 capped stacks from feeder. If that alliance just goes 3 for 4 on the center RCs, the other side is doomed. I think the other side is doomed even if that alliance splits the center RCs. (literally or figuratively)

Mind you, there's probably several other bots out there that will pair as well with 148. So, basically, 148 in your division at Champs is a strong argument for designing the fastest, strongest 4RC bot you can, regardless of whether or not it does anything else.

[Nathan Streeter]

My suspicion is that if an RC-grabber can't get their RCs off the step in 0.25-1.0s, then there's almost no point in even trying at the 'Einstein' level of play.

Accordingly, the best alliance will need to get as many RCs as they can in the first second... 1678 is likely to come up with a super-fast approach (perhaps only 2 RCs instead of all 4, though?), but until they do, I think you need to slot a different team in for RC-grabbing.

If the fastest RC grabbers can only get 2 RCs each, then you'll really want 2 on an alliance... obviously they'd need to be highly capable at stacking and/or RC-placing during teleop too though... otherwise you'll only end up with 2-4 stacks and it will have hardly mattered that you limited the opposition to 3 RCs.

[dodar]

148, 987, "4 bin grabber"

The 28pt auto from 987/148 is still good, 148 will clear the alliance station along with the 3rd bot and 987 can clear the landfill as fast as anyone.

[Nathan Streeter]

Originally Posted by dodar

...and 987 can clear the landfill as fast as anyone.

Except 1114... they seem to be consistently doing 2-3 6-stacks with RCs from the landfill.

[Kevin Leonard]

As of right now? 1114-148-118
However this can change over the coming weeks as teams get faster and faster step-can-grabbers. #minibotRace

[MrJohnston]

Those combinations are... frightening. Thinking about the, I am thankful that there are 8 divisions at champs instead of 4 - minimizing the chances that we have to actually face such... nastiness.

[Chris is me]

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

I really don't like this game mechanic.

[cmrnpizzo14]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

I really don't like this game mechanic.

I actually think that this adds a great dynamic to the game. Do you want to guarantee yourself 2? Would you rather try to get all 4? It's a very interesting strategy question.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

Except 1114... they seem to be consistently doing 2-3 6-stacks with RCs from the landfill.

Is that not what 987 did?

[TDav540]

Alberta Tech Alliance (4334) could be really valuable for a landfill stacker because of their ability to flip upside down totes. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them be a strong 3rd pick for an extremely strong alliance. Quality robot, they have indeed.

[Nathan Streeter]

Originally Posted by dodar

Is that not what 987 did?

It's kind of early to call a winner of the landfill stackers, but from the video of seen of 987's elims and 1114's early qual matches, 1114's consistently doing 2.5-3.2 6-stacks with RC from the landfill, while 987 was consistently doing 1.75-2.2 6-stacks with RC from the landfill. I think 987 will improve more though, as it seems like they spent a fair bit of time fussing around with RCs... either taking a while to get them or being a team-player by moving one over for 148 to use.

987's auto is more capable and reliable so far... but the only team that can stack game pieces as fast as 1114 is 148... and 148 only does so by multi-tasking.

My 'criticism' of these top teams isn't meant to be critical-sounding... any of them so thoroughly out-pace my team it's really not even funny. We could consistently do 3 stacks of 4 totes (no RC!) in elims at Week 1... very good, but no where even close to those levels.

[IronicDeadBird]

Optimus Prime, Wall-E, C3-PO hands down

going to call it at 148, 1114, and Ill get back to you when I review all the 4 bin step auto footage.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

I really don't like this game mechanic.

Well if/when the cans get ripped apart on Einstein to contribute a whopping zero points, the alliances can just offload their third robot, the RC grabber, and just play with two on the biggest stage in FIRST.

gg GDC