Which 3 robots would form the most overpowered alliance?

[Chris is me]

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

I really don't like this game mechanic.

[cmrnpizzo14]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

I really don't like this game mechanic.

I actually think that this adds a great dynamic to the game. Do you want to guarantee yourself 2? Would you rather try to get all 4? It's a very interesting strategy question.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

I really don't like this game mechanic.

Well if/when the cans get ripped apart on Einstein to contribute a whopping zero points, the alliances can just offload their third robot, the RC grabber, and just play with two on the biggest stage in FIRST.

gg GDC

[cjl2625]

I'm thinking 1114 + 148 + ludicrous speed 2 RC bot
An auto, 148 can do a 3 tote auto (assuming they can get that working), and 1114 can try for a third RC, because I know they have some grabbing mechanism.
I saw it in the GTR practice matches, but I don't know how fast it is.

[Shrub]

From what I've seen, 3130/525/4215 averaged over 100 together. I feel like they should be taken into account.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Shrub

From what I've seen, 3130/525/4215 averaged over 100 together. I feel like they should be taken into account.

1114 is averaging more than 100 on their own.

[Shrub]

Welp. My bad. That's a lot more OP than what I had lined up.

[lcoreyl]

We still haven't seen the best of 148, so they're my #1 pick.

As of now, 1114 is the top landfill, so they're my #2 pick. knowing them, they will be able to grab 2 bins by champs, and it will likely be fast.

The bin grabber I want necessarily must be the fastest. the best 4 bin grabber i've seen so far was 2848, but even if they were as fast as 3310 or 118, both of the latter teams were grabbing the side 2 bins and that torque on 2848's bot would have been... interesting.

as long as a 2 bin grabber is as fast as a 4 bin and can grab the 2 on the side, the #1 alliance will be fine.

I think champs winner will have 2 bots grabbing 2 totes each.

In STL I think there will be a lot of unveiling of withholding allowance ramps and bin grabbers.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm really starting to think you need a pair of 2-bin grabbers, instead of 1 4-bin grabber. It's just an issue of speed - you can't get them fast enough (<1 sec) with a 4 grabber.

Even more than speed is power and ballast/traction - if designed and executed anywhere nearly as well, two robots grabbing 2 each will overpower one grabbing 4.

[waialua359]

3476 is able to put 18 (3 stacks on the scoring platform) in a match.
They chose to do 5 each instead to complement their partner. With a third partner who focuses solely on the step to grab RC's and place them on stacks, that is a viable option for 2 of the 3 members.

I think the key question is what combination of teams can put up 200 points in a match?

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by waialua359

3476 is able to put 18 (3 stacks on the scoring platform) in a match.
They chose to do 5 each instead to complement their partner. With a third partner who focuses solely on the step to grab RC's and place them on stacks, that is a viable option for 2 of the 3 members.

I think the key question is what combination of teams can put up 200 points in a match?

1114 just put up 3 6 stacks with RCs and Litter on their own and had 25 seconds remaining. With a way to get at least 3 RCs from the middle in Auto 1114 and 148 can put up 272 together, not counting whatever their teammate can do outside of Auto.
1114: 20 (Auto)+3x42 Teleop
148: 3x42 Teleop

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by waialua359

3476 is able to put 18 (3 stacks on the scoring platform) in a match.
They chose to do 5 each instead to complement their partner. With a third partner who focuses solely on the step to grab RC's and place them on stacks, that is a viable option for 2 of the 3 members.

I think the key question is what combination of teams can put up 200 points in a match?

A way to get to 200 points is a 3 tote stack auto + 5 capped (not capped and stuffed) stacks of 6. Pairing a robot that is a really really good can manipulator with two robots that can process and deliver 5 stacks of six out of the hp zones would be one way to do it (provided one can also run at least a 20 point auto). 2848, 148, and 987 or 4039 could run this routine

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

A way to get to 200 points is a 3 tote stack auto + 5 capped (not capped and stuffed) stacks of 6. Pairing a robot that is a really really good can manipulator with two robots that can process and deliver 5 stacks of six out of the hp zones would be one way to do it (provided one can also run at least a 20 point auto). 2848, 148, and 987 or 4039 could run this routine

Yes, exactly the type of scenario I was thinking about when I posted.
With eliminations going serpentine, this has huge ramifications in getting teams that are effective at RC bins in auto for teams lower in the alliance selection seedings.

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

A way to get to 200 points is a 3 tote stack auto + 5 capped (not capped and stuffed) stacks of 6. Pairing a robot that is a really really good can manipulator with two robots that can process and deliver 5 stacks of six out of the hp zones would be one way to do it (provided one can also run at least a 20 point auto). 2848, 148, and 987 or 4039 could run this routine

I am not as sold on the necessity of can specialists. 1114 and 118 could easily do 5 capped stacks of 6 plus a 20 point auto without any help from a third partner. 1114 can do 3 stacks capped every time, and 118 could consistently grab 2 RCs from the center and create 6 stacks with them.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by JamesBrown

I am not as sold on the necessity of can specialists. 1114 and 118 could easily do 5 capped stacks of 6 plus a 20 point auto without any help from a third partner. 1114 can do 3 stacks capped every time, and 118 could consistently grab 2 RCs from the center and create 6 stacks with them.

James,
you are absolutely right.
But I think the point here is that you mention not needing a third partner for teams like 1114, 118, 987, 148, etc....
For teams that cant work that "magic", the third partner is essential and helps to equate what effectively took 2 of them to do. Of the teams we saw the past 2 weeks, what happens if an effective 4 bin step grabber is on the opposite alliance against them?