Which 3 robots would form the most overpowered alliance?

[Boltman]

1114 (Fastest LF processor so far) + Fastest RC wall grabber (With HP load ability ideally) + Fastest RC+N topper

[Sparkyshires]

1114, 148 and 610. 610 gets all the bins in autonomous, and the others make max stacks. That would be beyond OP.

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by asid61

1114 will hopefully add a 2-can auton, as it's quite simple and easy to add.

They have a can grabber.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by artK

I would have to disagree with this claim. According to the Blue Alliance's charts, the average score for Championship elims approximately doubles the average elims scores during week 1 (The largest ratio between the two was about 2.5 in 2010).

This year, week 1 elims average scores were about 80. By the above estimate, the average elims scores at champs would be about 160. There is little doubt that we will see 200s on the scoreboards during elims at champs, but I would be hesitant to say that 200 will be fairly common.

This raises another interesting point. How will the increased quantity of elimination alliances/participants impact the average scores at Champs? Common sense says it would further dilute the talent, however this game is quite different.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

They have a can grabber.

I can see it. However, so far it looks pretty slow and has to be positioned manually due to their 3-tote auton.

[magnets]

Originally Posted by asid61

I think that a 0.25 second 2-can grab by two robots will be very important on einstein. 4-can autons may not be able to compete in speed.

This seems to be an accepted fact from many users, but I'm not convinced. A single team which can grab 4 containers as quickly as any other grabber would be hugely desirable, so teams are going to make robots that can get 4 very quickly.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by magnets

This seems to be an accepted fact from many users, but I'm not convinced. A single team which can grab 4 containers as quickly as any other grabber would be hugely desirable, so teams are going to make robots that can get 4 very quickly.

I agree, a 4-can is better than a 2-can. The main issue is that you have to reach from the center of the field to the edges of it. This leaves you three options:
-Swing your arm out in autonomous
-Swing your arm out during the 60s setup time and retract them later
-Swing your arm out during setup an dnever retract it.
The first option is inherently slow; you would have to devote way too many resources to ensure that the 4-can grab is faster than the opponent's 2-can.
The second option is better, but the sheer weight of the assembly, plus the setup time could make it too slow or unreliable.
The last option can be light, as it does not need any type of retraction mechanism. However, it guarentees that you can't effectively play the game anymore.
I think it's possible, but it is much harder than just dropping two 72" rods down to grab if you want to match speed. And you would have to be faster than any two-can.

[Lil' Lavery]

That post has an awful lot of assumptions in it. Assumptions that may not end up being true.

[Gweiss96]

254, 148, 1114

[asid61]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

That post has an awful lot of assumptions in it. Assumptions that may not end up being true.

Just what I've seen. If you have a good idea for a super-fast four can auton I would love to know.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by asid61

I can see it. However, so far it looks pretty slow and has to be positioned manually due to their 3-tote auton.

What if I told you they didn't run their 3 tote auto every match?

[wilderbuchanan]

I wonder though, with Champs going from 4 to 8 divisions, will a "power house" alliance emerge if the best teams are spread out. I think this will make it so there will not be an obvious Einstein winner.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by magnets

This seems to be an accepted fact from many users, but I'm not convinced. A single team which can grab 4 containers as quickly as any other grabber would be hugely desirable, so teams are going to make robots that can get 4 very quickly.

Inertia is a thing, 2 is always faster, and 1 is even faster than 2, but there's a very specific reason 1 isn't advantageous, I will leave this as an exercise to the reader.

I'm also very surprises no one has pointed out the most obvious alliance, 2056, 2056, and 2056 is clearly the most OP.

[The other Gabe]

In my opinion, an alliance of 1114, 148 and 118 would create the most terrifyingly high scores possible. however, I feel like 148 would actually get in the way of the other two robots, being part of team tether. because of this, I would instead pick team 4488, whose ability to make 2 stacks of 6 with noodle in a container is comparable to these other teams, while taking up far less field space than some of the other great robots

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

In my opinion, an alliance of 1114, 148 and 118 would create the most terrifyingly high scores possible. however, I feel like 148 would actually get in the way of the other two robots, being part of team tether. because of this, I would instead pick team 4488, whose ability to make 2 stacks of 6 with noodle in a container is comparable to these other teams, while taking up far less field space than some of the other great robots

That's giving up an entire stack of totes and can, at least, compared to 148's best performances. If 148 sticks to the left edge of the field, the center and right sides of the field can be open for 1114 and 118 to play in. 148 doesn't need to move too much other than to their loader, can holder, and the goal, so I feel they can keep their tether manageable.