Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

[Gary Dillard]

Originally Posted by Brandon Zalinsky

As stated above, it is legal, as long as your hand does not enter the field, which has happened a few times this year.

That's not entirely true. Here's the rule (which was changed to be very specific), emphasis mine.

G27. ROBOTS and anything they control (except for LITTER in the LITTER CHUTE and TOTES in the TOTE CHUTE), may not contact anything outside the FIELD.
VIOLATION: Offending ROBOT will be DISABLED.

So if the recycle container is on the ground and not in control of a robot you're fine (provided your hand does not enter the field). If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

[Ben Wolsieffer]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

254, 148, 1678 and others definitely did this though, without any penalty.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

Did you call G27 for this? If you are not a referee, did you see it called this way?

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

That's not entirely true. Here's the rule (which was changed to be very specific), emphasis mine.



So if the recycle container is on the ground and not in control of a robot you're fine (provided your hand does not enter the field). If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.

I don't have the q&a question number but this is not true. Entering a noodle into a RC over the wall controlled by a robot is perfectly legal.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

I don't have the q&a question number but this is not true. Entering a noodle into a RC over the wall controlled by a robot is perfectly legal.

Q&A 141, 404 and 411 all clarify this.

It is being consistently called as legal at MOST events, however it was deemed illegal at PNW events week 1 in spite of the Q&A's. This seems to have been remedied week 2 and called consistent with the rest of the country, but it would be good to have clarity in the actual rules via rule update (blue box maybe?)

[brandon.cottrell]

So I guess it's considered the same as if you were to throw a pool noodle over the alliance wall, and it landed inside a bin on a tote. Except a whole lot more possible.

[Paul Copioli]

I searched on the Q & A, but could not find any direct questions. Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

If you look at the definition of FIELD and their recent answer 411, then it is possible that, as long as the LITTER is partially still outside the FIELD then this could be legal.

Paul

[jnicho15]

Teams did it at Southfield while the robot was holding the container, no issues.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...leop-also-assu

[c.shu]

We did this at Waterford without any penalties.

Edit: Oops see below :O

[tr6scott]

^ Sorry, not true, we did receive a penalty for Throwing a noodle in the last twenty seconds, when Tony feed over the wall.

So it was called on us, in eliminations, I think it was a semi-final match, but the scoring does not show up on the youtube video.

Typically our sequence is at the 20 second horn, we pull away and move to the scoring platform, so in a typical match timing we wouldn't do this. But we were called on it once.

[Shu]

Originally Posted by c.shu

We did this at Waterford without any penalties.

Scott beat me to it.

We did get penalized once in eliminations when it was done in the last 20 seconds. It was late in the match and after a failed attempt he tried to get the noodle into the container as the driver was leaving the human player station. He had to actually give the noodle a short toss to get it into the container(great throw BTW) and it lost contact with his hand so it was considered throwing. I am not sure if it would have been ruled a penalty had he kept contact between his hand and the container.

[tr6scott]

http://youtu.be/Xoxw1YVqPjQ?t=2m16s

Bottom right hand corner, not can't see when it leaves Tony's hand.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

I searched on the Q & A, but could not find any direct questions. Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

If you look at the definition of FIELD and their recent answer 411, then it is possible that, as long as the LITTER is partially still outside the FIELD then this could be legal.

Paul

I think it's pretty clear in the rules:

Originally Posted by G33

LITTER may be introduced onto the FIELD only during TELEOP and only in the following ways:
A. through the LITTER CHUTE, or
B. over the ALLIANCE WALL prior to the last twenty (20) seconds of the MATCH.
VIOLATION: FOUL per LITTER.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by tstew

I think it's pretty clear in the rules:

Originally Posted by G33

LITTER may be introduced onto the FIELD only during TELEOP and only in the following ways:
A. through the LITTER CHUTE, or
B. over the ALLIANCE WALL prior to the last twenty (20) seconds of the MATCH.
VIOLATION: FOUL per LITTER.

What isn't clear is the definition of "introduced" - is it when the first part of the litter passes over/through the wall, or the last? The difference only matters for the litter going over the wall.