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Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

Are you allowed to feed noodles into the recycling container from over the wall?
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

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Are you allowed to feed noodles into the recycling container from over the wall?
Yes, it is perfectly legal. You will see team 148 and 254 doing this a lot during their matches
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

yes up until the last 20 seconds

during the final 20 seconds it has to be through the noodle feeder
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

That's what i thought but just wanted to be sure of.
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

This was part of my alliance's strategy in eliminations yesterday. It went quite well! I think that it was a lot faster than the noodle chute -Team Human Player
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

As stated above, it is legal, as long as your hand does not enter the field, which has happened a few times this year.
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

Another advantage is that it can be done while another robot is working the tote chute.
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Another advantage is that it can be done while another robot is working the tote chute.
This can be a pretty big advantage. Our playoff alliance used it effectively at Kentwood. We did have to train an extra tall HP fairly quickly, when we decidied to use this method after picking a rapid chute specialist 3rd robot, and assigning ourselves as landfill/capper.
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

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As stated above, it is legal, as long as your hand does not enter the field, which has happened a few times this year.
That's not entirely true. Here's the rule (which was changed to be very specific), emphasis mine.

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VIOLATION: Offending ROBOT will be DISABLED.
So if the recycle container is on the ground and not in control of a robot you're fine (provided your hand does not enter the field). If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.
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If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.
254, 148, 1678 and others definitely did this though, without any penalty.
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If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.
Did you call G27 for this? If you are not a referee, did you see it called this way?
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

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That's not entirely true. Here's the rule (which was changed to be very specific), emphasis mine.



So if the recycle container is on the ground and not in control of a robot you're fine (provided your hand does not enter the field). If you feed litter into a recycle container controlled (held or supported) by a robot you are in violation if any part of the litter is outside the field when it touches the recycle container. Note the severe penalty - robot disabled.
I don't have the q&a question number but this is not true. Entering a noodle into a RC over the wall controlled by a robot is perfectly legal.
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

check out Q&A #404 for further clarification...
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Re: Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

OK I stand corrected, I had asked some early questions in Q&A before they changed the rule and I thought from the wording in the team update when it was changed that the intent was clear. Apparently they've clarified it again.

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Q421 Q. For purposes of G27, would something that is partly outside of the the FIELD and and partly inside of the FIELD (such as LITTER entering the FIELD over the ALLIANCE WALL) be considered "outside the FIELD"?

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A. Under G27, the issue is whether or not the contact point on the object itself is outside the FIELD, not how much of the object is in or out of the FIELD. Consider LITTER draped over a GUARDRAIL. Part of the LITTER is inside the FIELD, part is outside the FIELD. If a ROBOT or something it controls contacts the part of the LITTER inside the FIELD, there is no violation. If the ROBOT or something it controls contacts the part of the LITTER outside the FIELD, that is a violation.
I suggested this strategy last week to our team and then retracted it when I read the rules. With the Q&A ruling it's back on the board (we don't compete until week 4).
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I don't have the q&a question number but this is not true. Entering a noodle into a RC over the wall controlled by a robot is perfectly legal.
Q&A 141, 404 and 411 all clarify this.

It is being consistently called as legal at MOST events, however it was deemed illegal at PNW events week 1 in spite of the Q&A's. This seems to have been remedied week 2 and called consistent with the rest of the country, but it would be good to have clarity in the actual rules via rule update (blue box maybe?)
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