Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

[brandon.cottrell]

So I guess it's considered the same as if you were to throw a pool noodle over the alliance wall, and it landed inside a bin on a tote. Except a whole lot more possible.

[Paul Copioli]

I searched on the Q & A, but could not find any direct questions. Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

If you look at the definition of FIELD and their recent answer 411, then it is possible that, as long as the LITTER is partially still outside the FIELD then this could be legal.

Paul

[jnicho15]

Teams did it at Southfield while the robot was holding the container, no issues.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...leop-also-assu

[c.shu]

We did this at Waterford without any penalties.

Edit: Oops see below :O

[tr6scott]

^ Sorry, not true, we did receive a penalty for Throwing a noodle in the last twenty seconds, when Tony feed over the wall.

So it was called on us, in eliminations, I think it was a semi-final match, but the scoring does not show up on the youtube video.

Typically our sequence is at the 20 second horn, we pull away and move to the scoring platform, so in a typical match timing we wouldn't do this. But we were called on it once.

[Shu]

Originally Posted by c.shu

We did this at Waterford without any penalties.

Scott beat me to it.

We did get penalized once in eliminations when it was done in the last 20 seconds. It was late in the match and after a failed attempt he tried to get the noodle into the container as the driver was leaving the human player station. He had to actually give the noodle a short toss to get it into the container(great throw BTW) and it lost contact with his hand so it was considered throwing. I am not sure if it would have been ruled a penalty had he kept contact between his hand and the container.

[tr6scott]

http://youtu.be/Xoxw1YVqPjQ?t=2m16s

Bottom right hand corner, not can't see when it leaves Tony's hand.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

I searched on the Q & A, but could not find any direct questions. Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

If you look at the definition of FIELD and their recent answer 411, then it is possible that, as long as the LITTER is partially still outside the FIELD then this could be legal.

Paul

I think it's pretty clear in the rules:

Originally Posted by G33

LITTER may be introduced onto the FIELD only during TELEOP and only in the following ways:
A. through the LITTER CHUTE, or
B. over the ALLIANCE WALL prior to the last twenty (20) seconds of the MATCH.
VIOLATION: FOUL per LITTER.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by tstew

I think it's pretty clear in the rules:

Originally Posted by G33

LITTER may be introduced onto the FIELD only during TELEOP and only in the following ways:
A. through the LITTER CHUTE, or
B. over the ALLIANCE WALL prior to the last twenty (20) seconds of the MATCH.
VIOLATION: FOUL per LITTER.

What isn't clear is the definition of "introduced" - is it when the first part of the litter passes over/through the wall, or the last? The difference only matters for the litter going over the wall.

[homerun33ss]

Team 948 did this during the PNW Glacier Peak District Event. The human player would squeeze the noodle hard from both ends, so that a bend would form in the middle. This shaped the noodle into a temporary upside-down "L" shape. This allowed them to have one end pointing almost straight down into the RC opening and have the end that the human player was holding be perpendicular to the human player station wall.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by homerun33ss

Team 948 did this during the PNW Glacier Peak District Event. The human player would squeeze the noodle hard from both ends, so that a bend would form in the middle. This shaped the noodle into a temporary upside-down "L" shape. This allowed them to have one end pointing almost straight down into the RC opening and have the end that the human player was holding be perpendicular to the human player station wall.

I presume that the RCs went on the stack vertically. If you laid them down, the bent litter would be likely to fall out.

[homerun33ss]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

I presume that the RCs went on the stack vertically. If you laid them down, the bent litter would be likely to fall out.

That is correct; the RC's were placed in the upright position on top of the tote stack.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

If you laid them down, the bent litter would be likely to fall out.

Unless you insert both ends of the bent litter into the RC

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

Q&A Response:

a HUMAN PLAYER (or DRIVER) putting LITTER over the ALLIANCE WALL when the timer reads 20 seconds or fewer would be a violation of G33-B
https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...leop-also-assu