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If you have to follow a tether to identify the team it's illegal per the blue box in R2.
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Wasn't the rule I was thinking about. I was assuming that the ramp had all its numbers.
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Don't worry about the effectiveness of a teams solution when it comes to whether it is within the rules or not. Again, anything that will cut a rope will also cut braided line. "highly visible" is not a requirement in the rules. And the rule is supported by a robot, not touching a robot. It is amazing to me that people with zero apparent experience with high visibility braided line are making such absolute statements about it. I withdraw from this conversation on the basis that one should not argue with .... |
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All I will say to that is that if there is doubt as to support, the referees will not score the points--see the rules since Day 1. And touching is often enough to add in doubt.
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Frankly, you are part of the problem. |
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The attached photo did not enhance my event experience.
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I am not so worried about the Refs saying the tether is supporting the totes, but of entanglement. I know that these thin very flexible lines have a good chance of getting caught in the rollers on mecanum and omni wheels. There would have to be a lot of testing done before we were to put anything that might pose an entanglement hazard to another robot on our alliance on the field. |
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FIRST has almost always had "contact implies supporting" rules. Because otherwise it's a judgement call and those are worse than illogical calls (like 1/32 cable supporting 60lbs of game pieces) because they are inconsistent. What Eric is saying is don't even give them a reason to not count it because there's a chance it won't get counted just so they are consistent. |
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Wow, this conversation has really "ramped up" into quite the argument.
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(emphasis mine) And this is also why I do not expect to see tethers in play again, until/unless we have another "Step" game, in which the alliances must occupy different spaces, or at least have large exclusive zones from which they can effectively play the game. This year you can only be an entanglement hazard to your own alliance. |
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We had 2 ramps connected to Team 1547 (our ramp called "RAMP RAMP RAMP" and half a tote that 610 used as a ramp). They were connected using bright orange fishing line that ran along the perimeter of the field. Thank you to Team 1547 for being our valuable third robot! ![]() |
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Did they not count it as a STACK? As far as I know, the only stack with limitations is for an RC that can only be supported by gray totes ("by only scored Gray TOTES" in 3.1.2.3).
In 3.1.2.2, the requirement is only "supported by the STEP". The blue box goes on to say that "support" is transitive through other TOTES, which implies that it can also be transitive through other items, such as LITTER, or even an RC. I suppose that one could argue whether the LITTER somehow breaks the "single column" requirement. But, that would be pretty lame. |
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I do not see how saying support is transitive through totes implies that support is transitive through litter. Especially look at the Q&A response.
Please note, I am not saying I like the call, I am just saying this call is not surprising if you read the Q&A. |
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3.1.2.2 in the rule says "supported" without definition. In the blue box (which is a note) adds clarification that support is transitive. Since the clarification did not say transitive "only" through other TOTES, it can be reasonably implied that it is transitive through other items as well. |
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