1114 the Statistical Outlier

[String]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

But make no mistake about it, 1114 is the best in the world at this point. It isn't even close. There's nobody in FIRST who can come close to matching their output. Four stacks of six with cans is more than many entire regional winning alliances did, combined. They are outscoring not only multiple robot alliances, but they're outscoring teams with tethered human player stackers - their intake is that good, their stacker is that fast...
1114 hasn't been this much better than everyone else since 2008 - and that should scare anybody who is seriously gunning for a World Championship title.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. You can make a very strong argument for 148 as best robot in FRC. They consistently got 4 6-stacks, 3 capped. If I recall correctly, in a couple matches they even made a 5th stack 3 or 4 totes tall. In addition, we haven't seen their robot with its 28pt autonomous yet. I think 1114 and 148 are miles ahead of everyone else, but let's not forget that 1114 is not the only robot in their class.

[thatprogrammer]

Originally Posted by String

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. You can make a very strong argument for 148 as best robot in FRC. They consistently got 4 6-stacks, 3 capped. If I recall correctly, in a couple matches they even made a 5th stack 3 or 4 totes tall. In addition, we haven't seen their robot with its 28pt autonomous yet. I think 1114 and 148 are miles ahead of everyone else, but let's not forget that 1114 is not the only robot in their class.

To be fair, 1114 was making four capped six stacks when they got their ramp working, and I think, provided their alliance partner brought them the bins (put them right next to them) they could make a fifth. I agree that 148 and 1114 are the top in the world though, I just think 1114 is a teeny bit better right now. Who knows what will happen when they've both improved their robots for world champs?

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by String

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. You can make a very strong argument for 148 as best robot in FRC. They consistently got 4 6-stacks, 3 capped. If I recall correctly, in a couple matches they even made a 5th stack 3 or 4 totes tall. In addition, we haven't seen their robot with its 28pt autonomous yet. I think 1114 and 148 are miles ahead of everyone else, but let's not forget that 1114 is not the only robot in their class.

I agree that 148 is very good, certainly one of the best, but they were not consistently getting 4 6-stacks with 3 caps, at least in quals. If they were, their OPR should be around 120, but it was actually 84. In contrast, 1114 actually did have an OPR of 120.

Interestingly enough though, their component OPRs for containers and totes are comparable. 1114 was scoring way more litter and auto points than 148 though. I expect 148 will be scoring much more in auto once they get Alfred back up and running.

[Gdeaver]

We have not yet seen the platform RC wars.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by Gdeaver

We have not yet seen the platform RC wars.

It will happen sometime before Worlds, I'm rather sure.

[PayneTrain]

I have a lot of respect for 1114 and I can't think of a robot they have built as long as I have been in the sport that wasn't at least very very good. I never really bought into the whole fangirl movement they gathered over their history for a lot of reasons.

That being said, I knew when they showed off their fully-powdercoated robot, I felt comfortable making these assumptions:
a) They clearly found a design that they liked a LONG time ago
b) They finished that design that they liked a LONG time ago and I would love
c) I bet you would be better off clocking the amount of practice their drive team had with the official bot is better clocked in days instead of hours.

I'm hoping after the season is over someone on 1114 could give a timeline of how they moved through build season, because it looks like they had the robot ready to go by the end of Week 3. Not only is it a great design, they at least give off the appearance that they spent a colossal amount of time practicing with it.

[DarkRune]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

That being said, I knew when they showed off their fully-powdercoated robot, I felt comfortable making these assumptions:
a) They clearly found a design that they liked a LONG time ago
b) They finished that design that they liked a LONG time ago and I would love
c) I bet you would be better off clocking the amount of practice their drive team had with the official bot is better clocked in days instead of hours.

And just looking at that intake, the amount of iterations they must have gone through is amazing. You're absolutely right. I was scared when I saw that fully powdercoated robot.

[philso]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

I'm hoping after the season is over someone on 1114 could give a timeline of how they moved through build season, because it looks like they had the robot ready to go by the end of Week 3. Not only is it a great design, they at least give off the appearance that they spent a colossal amount of time practicing with it.

Yes, it would be hugely educational and inspirational for the community (and greatly appreciated) if someone from 1114 could describe the various design options they considered, the decisions they made and the reasoning behind their decisions. Some of us have already been speculating on various topics in one of the other threads and would love to know what the real deal is.

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

I'm hoping after the season is over someone on 1114 could give a timeline of how they moved through build season, because it looks like they had the robot ready to go by the end of Week 3.

Originally Posted by philso

Yes, it would be hugely educational and inspirational for the community (and greatly appreciated) if someone from 1114 could describe the various design options they considered, the decisions they made and the reasoning behind their decisions. Some of us have already been speculating on various topics in one of the other threads and would love to know what the real deal is.

I think we can get this topic covered in a fair bit of detail at a potential presentation at the 2015 FIRST Championship Conferences in St. Louis.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nd-conferences

[Arpan]

Originally Posted by Karthik

I think we can get this topic covered in a fair bit of detail at a potential presentation at the 2015 FIRST Championship Conferences in St. Louis.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nd-conferences

AAAAAAAH YES.

In other news - anyone notice that sideswipe's swipey arm is made of un-anodized versaframe?

I forsee a step bin grabber in the near future.

[KeeganP]

Originally Posted by Arpan

AAAAAAAH YES.

In other news - anyone notice that sideswipe's swipey arm is made of un-anodized versaframe?

I forsee a step bin grabber in the near future.

Perhaps a bin Swiper?

Looks like I need to find a way to get to St. Louis now! Always been in awe of 1114's strategical designs, so I'd love to hear more about the decisions firsthand.

[Aidan H.]

Originally Posted by KeeganP

Perhaps a bin Swiper?

I don't know if you've seen this already, but it looks like they tried out their BinSwiper already (GTRC Quals 57): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7-NigYFrWo

It looks like their first 2 bins are captured at about 2 seconds (better speed it up 1114 , the "chokehold" number seems to be 1/4 sec!) and they have the other 2 at ~12 sec.

*For some reason, Q57 isn't on WFN, so we just have this video of their 4 bin auto... until Waterloo?

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by Aidan H.

I don't know if you've seen this already, but it looks like they tried out their BinSwiper already (GTRC Quals 57): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7-NigYFrWo

It looks like their first 2 bins are captured at about 2 seconds (better speed it up 1114 , the "chokehold" number seems to be 1/4 sec!) and they have the other 2 at ~12 sec.

*For some reason, Q57 isn't on WFN, so we just have this video of their 4 bin auto... until Waterloo?

a very similar grabber deployment system to FRC 1318 (completely different way of getting them off that step, however)

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by KeeganP

Perhaps a bin Swiper?

Simbot no swiping!

[philso]

Originally Posted by Karthik

I think we can get this topic covered in a fair bit of detail at a potential presentation at the 2015 FIRST Championship Conferences in St. Louis.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nd-conferences

Yesss! THANK YOU! Will have to go to Champs even if our team doesn't earn a spot.

Please also consider making a recording available. I am sure those unable to attend Champs would greatly appreciate the opportunity to get insights into your engineering process.