1114 the Statistical Outlier

[David8696]

So I was doing some calculations, and according to the OPR and CCWM rankings posted by Ed Law, 1114 appears to be a bit of an outlier.

The most striking statistic to me was the fact that as of Week 2, 1114 is 2.67 standard deviations above...

Second place.

[Sean Raia]

They're quick, that's for sure. I expect the gap to tighten up a bit in the coming weeks. Not only will 2056 come in to play and likely give them a run for their money, but many of the other elite teams will have their kinks worked out.

Still, incredibly impressive performance out of the gates from them.

[g_sawchuk]

Their design is literally amazing. However, they're going to do a lot more to win championships. If you were like me and watched Dallas, the scores were much higher than GTRC. 1114 needs to work more on incorporating all members of their alliance to thus max their efficiency. None the less, awesome robot, and I think they will go far.

[dtengineering]

1114 isn't a statistical outlier... 1114 defines statistical outlier!

Jason

[Ichlieberoboter]

They are honestly AMAZING. Well done, team 1114!

[Chris is me]

You guys can go ahead and tell yourselves 1114 isn't actually that great, other teams are just as good, they have weakness X or Y... Whatever, if it makes you feel better about your robot, great.

But make no mistake about it, 1114 is the best in the world at this point. It isn't even close. There's nobody in FIRST who can come close to matching their output. Four stacks of six with cans is more than many entire regional winning alliances did, combined. They are outscoring not only multiple robot alliances, but they're outscoring teams with tethered human player stackers - their intake is that good, their stacker is that fast.

The craziest thing is that 1114 is a team that never stops improving, and we've just seen their first event configuration. Compare 1114 at Championship last year to their performance at their first regional - the strategic addition of a goalie pole, refined cycle completion, even better driving. The leaps and bounds 1114 is going to make with this machine should be astounding.

1114 hasn't been this much better than everyone else since 2008 - and that should scare anybody who is seriously gunning for a World Championship title.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

1114 hasn't been this much better than everyone else since 2008 - and that should scare anybody who is seriously gunning for a World Championship title.

They were considerably better at their first even in 2015 than they were at their first event in 2008. They've never come out of the gate this strong.

I also don't know if this game permits the amount of growth that 1114 showed in 2008, either. At their later regionals, they were outscoring entire alliances by themselves... in autonomous.

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by GrifBot

Their design is literally amazing. However, they're going to do a lot more to win championships. If you were like me and watched Dallas, the scores were much higher than GTRC. 1114 needs to work more on incorporating all members of their alliance to thus max their efficiency. None the less, awesome robot, and I think they will go far.

Part of the reason for this is that there were at least 4 very good teams at Dallas, while GTRC had really just 1114

I do not mean to insult the multitude of very good robots that were at both events, I'm merely trying to point out that the upper echelon included more teams at Dallas than at GTRC

[ratdude747]

Some odd trivia:

1114's 2008 bot's name: SS

in 2015, their bot is named SideSwipe.

interesting coincidence?

[CTbiker105]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

The leaps and bounds 1114 is going to make with this machine should be astounding.

I can't imagine what they've already done since GTRC.

By the time CMP rolls around, they'll definitely have another Einstein finals robot if their process of "this is what we don't do well, this is how we fix it, and this is how we excel at it," goes smoothly.

[g_sawchuk]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

Part of the reason for this is that there were at least 4 very good teams at Dallas, while GTRC had really just 1114

I do not mean to insult the multitude of very good robots that were at both events, I'm merely trying to point out that the upper echelon included more teams at Dallas than at GTRC

I would in fact agree with this point. However, you have to find a way to utilize every robot in order to succeed. Even if you have, per say, a very weak bin grabber, let that robot do that, even if it takes a little bit longer. You will have more time to stack, and they will cap in time. Just find the strong suits of each robot, even if they're small.

[String]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

But make no mistake about it, 1114 is the best in the world at this point. It isn't even close. There's nobody in FIRST who can come close to matching their output. Four stacks of six with cans is more than many entire regional winning alliances did, combined. They are outscoring not only multiple robot alliances, but they're outscoring teams with tethered human player stackers - their intake is that good, their stacker is that fast...
1114 hasn't been this much better than everyone else since 2008 - and that should scare anybody who is seriously gunning for a World Championship title.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. You can make a very strong argument for 148 as best robot in FRC. They consistently got 4 6-stacks, 3 capped. If I recall correctly, in a couple matches they even made a 5th stack 3 or 4 totes tall. In addition, we haven't seen their robot with its 28pt autonomous yet. I think 1114 and 148 are miles ahead of everyone else, but let's not forget that 1114 is not the only robot in their class.

[thatprogrammer]

Originally Posted by String

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. You can make a very strong argument for 148 as best robot in FRC. They consistently got 4 6-stacks, 3 capped. If I recall correctly, in a couple matches they even made a 5th stack 3 or 4 totes tall. In addition, we haven't seen their robot with its 28pt autonomous yet. I think 1114 and 148 are miles ahead of everyone else, but let's not forget that 1114 is not the only robot in their class.

To be fair, 1114 was making four capped six stacks when they got their ramp working, and I think, provided their alliance partner brought them the bins (put them right next to them) they could make a fifth. I agree that 148 and 1114 are the top in the world though, I just think 1114 is a teeny bit better right now. Who knows what will happen when they've both improved their robots for world champs?

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by String

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. You can make a very strong argument for 148 as best robot in FRC. They consistently got 4 6-stacks, 3 capped. If I recall correctly, in a couple matches they even made a 5th stack 3 or 4 totes tall. In addition, we haven't seen their robot with its 28pt autonomous yet. I think 1114 and 148 are miles ahead of everyone else, but let's not forget that 1114 is not the only robot in their class.

I agree that 148 is very good, certainly one of the best, but they were not consistently getting 4 6-stacks with 3 caps, at least in quals. If they were, their OPR should be around 120, but it was actually 84. In contrast, 1114 actually did have an OPR of 120.

Interestingly enough though, their component OPRs for containers and totes are comparable. 1114 was scoring way more litter and auto points than 148 though. I expect 148 will be scoring much more in auto once they get Alfred back up and running.

[Gdeaver]

We have not yet seen the platform RC wars.