Go to Post You know when the school health nurse advises "always wear a condom"? She doesn't actually mean "ALWAYS". ::safety:: I think Dean and Woodie have a pretty good idea of when they need safety glasses and when they don't. Jason - dtengineering [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Competition > Rules/Strategy > Scouting
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 5 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #46   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-03-2015, 21:36
eddie12390's Avatar
eddie12390 eddie12390 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Eddie
FRC #3260 (SHARP)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 285
eddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of lighteddie12390 is a glorious beacon of light
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo View Post
You see, that's the thing: 1114 is successful because they work at it, tenaciously and incessantly. But it's no secret: Not only do they post reams of information for all to see, Karthik has spoken at CMP about their process for as long as I can remember. Most are recorded and available somewhere.

The way I see it, beating 1114 is easy: Just do what they do, only more better.
The key to winning football games is scoring more points than the other team.
__________________
Any post that I make expresses only my opinions. I do not represent the opinions of my team or of any entity affiliated with my team.

As a Mentor:
2016 - Engineering Inspiration at Greater Pittsburgh Regional

As a Driver:
2014 - Winner of Greater Pittsburgh Regional
  #47   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-03-2015, 21:44
The other Gabe's Avatar
The other Gabe The other Gabe is offline
Too many events, not enough time
AKA: I'm a volunteer now!
no team (2046 Bear Metal Alumn)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Bellingham, WA
Posts: 429
The other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud of
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrifBot View Post
I would in fact agree with this point. However, you have to find a way to utilize every robot in order to succeed. Even if you have, per say, a very weak bin grabber, let that robot do that, even if it takes a little bit longer. You will have more time to stack, and they will cap in time. Just find the strong suits of each robot, even if they're small.
which they did do to a certain extent, but in this game there are two distinct strategies.
The 1st (and sometimes 2nd)-place alliance, which is the two best teams at the event. they both kinda do their own thing while the 3rd robot is off in a corner trying to stay out of the way while being as useful as possible (you'll see this at most events)
The later placed alliance that magically made it to finals: this team has everything down to a science. the all know who does what part of the process and has gotten it down to maximize their points. still usually lose to the first place alliance (as is what happened to my team at PNW Auburn Mountainview)

What I'm trying to say here is that if the first two (or sometimes even one robot) are good enough, the third alliance partner matters not. in other games they make all the difference, and they definitely will at worlds. the teams that prescribe to the first strategy can only make it so far when other alliances are maximizing scores with three quality robots on the field, something that is just so hard to do at a Regional or District level.

Did I actually end up responding to you? Cuz I was trying to say that sometimes the third robot means nothing (even if it usually helps)
__________________
Do the best you can with what you are given

FRC 2046 2012-2015
Field Scout lead 2014-2015
  #48   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-03-2015, 22:01
g_sawchuk's Avatar
g_sawchuk g_sawchuk is offline
Hmm.
AKA: Griffin Sawchuk
FRC #4476
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Rookie Year: 2013
Location: Canada
Posts: 340
g_sawchuk is just really niceg_sawchuk is just really niceg_sawchuk is just really niceg_sawchuk is just really niceg_sawchuk is just really nice
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann View Post
if you look at the scores for GTCR 1114 didn't need partners to win it.

Powerhouse teams pick strategies that allow them to not have to rely on their alliance partners because Quals can be a total crap shoot of who you get teamed up with. Being able to play the game by yourself is key to seeding high and then being able to pick other teams that play the game the way you want to play it.

1114 can and will play with other teams when necessary. It just wasn't (and might not be until Champs) at GTCR last weekend.

As someone said earlier if you need to justify your teams decision to build a robot that requires team work to perform by arguing against those who don't more power too you. Your challenge ins't 1114 its the scheduling deity to give you a qual schedule that pairs you with teams that compliment you so you can hope to score more than 140 points a match, to seed higher than the 1114's and hope they want you to pick them.
I meant win championships.
__________________
FRC 2013-2015 (K-Botics #2809)
VEX 2015 - 2016 (W.A.F.F.L.E.S. #4476)
FLL 2015 - ??? (MechMasters #16931)
FRC 2016 - ??? (W.A.F.F.L.E.S. #4476)
2016 Dean's List Finalist

My thoughts and ideas do not necessarily reflect those of my team.
  #49   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-03-2015, 22:06
The other Gabe's Avatar
The other Gabe The other Gabe is offline
Too many events, not enough time
AKA: I'm a volunteer now!
no team (2046 Bear Metal Alumn)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Bellingham, WA
Posts: 429
The other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud of
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann View Post
if you look at the scores for GTCR 1114 didn't need partners to win it.
610's tote Auto was used when they got 4 stacks of 6 with a container on top of all of them. (and I think they got a stack too)
__________________
Do the best you can with what you are given

FRC 2046 2012-2015
Field Scout lead 2014-2015
  #50   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-03-2015, 22:10
The other Gabe's Avatar
The other Gabe The other Gabe is offline
Too many events, not enough time
AKA: I'm a volunteer now!
no team (2046 Bear Metal Alumn)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Bellingham, WA
Posts: 429
The other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud ofThe other Gabe has much to be proud of
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aidan H. View Post
I don't know if you've seen this already, but it looks like they tried out their BinSwiper already (GTRC Quals 57): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7-NigYFrWo

It looks like their first 2 bins are captured at about 2 seconds (better speed it up 1114 , the "chokehold" number seems to be 1/4 sec!) and they have the other 2 at ~12 sec.

*For some reason, Q57 isn't on WFN, so we just have this video of their 4 bin auto... until Waterloo?
a very similar grabber deployment system to FRC 1318 (completely different way of getting them off that step, however)
__________________
Do the best you can with what you are given

FRC 2046 2012-2015
Field Scout lead 2014-2015
  #51   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-03-2015, 22:34
Mike Marandola Mike Marandola is offline
Lead Bumper Mentor
AKA: Mike Marandola
FRC #0316 (Lunatecs)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Pedricktown, NJ
Posts: 666
Mike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond reputeMike Marandola has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik View Post
If you want to learn more about our processes you can also check out the following resources:

Simbot Seminar Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...o6sOEVMR821tkV

Podcast with the EWCP describing our processes: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=96123

Team Created Resources: http://www.simbotics.org/resources

The engineering notebooks from 2013 and 2014 are pretty interesting as well. Are there any plans to release one for this year?
__________________

2015 - Pioneer Valley District Finalists/Upper Darby District Finalists/MAR District Championship #1 Seed and Winners with 225 and 203
2014 - Lenape Seneca District Winners/Chestnut Hill District Winners
2013 - Lenape Seneca District Winners/Chestnut Hill District Finalists
2011 - Philadelphia Regional Finalists
2009 - Finger Lakes Regional Finalists

  #52   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-03-2015, 06:31
waialua359's Avatar
waialua359 waialua359 is offline
Mentor
AKA: Glenn
FRC #0359 (Hawaiian Kids)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Waialua, HI
Posts: 3,315
waialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo View Post
You see, that's the thing: 1114 is successful because they work at it, tenaciously and incessantly. But it's no secret: Not only do they post reams of information for all to see, Karthik has spoken at CMP about their process for as long as I can remember. Most are recorded and available somewhere.

The way I see it, beating 1114 is easy: Just do what they do, only more better.
Even out here in Australia, I heard that 1114 started CADing during week 3, and in previous seasons, normally later. A team that is able to spend that much time dissecting the game is pretty inspiring to say the least.
The one thing elite teams do is not spend all their time trying to make mechanisms work.
We spend a lot of time trying to make our ideas work, thus not being able to afford the time spent to wait that long given our situation and mentor resources.

1114 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure they can figure out where I heard it from.
__________________

2016 Hawaii Regional #1 seed, IDesign, Safety Award
2016 NY Tech Valley Regional Champions, #1 seed, Innovation in Controls Award
2016 Lake Superior Regional Champions, #1 seed, Quality Award, Dean's List
2015 FRC Worlds-Carver Division Champions
2015 Hawaii Regional Champions, #1 seed.
2015 Australia Regional Champions, #2 seed, Engineering Excellence Award
2015 Inland Empire Regional Champions, #1 seed, Industrial Design Award
2014 OZARK Mountain Brawl Champions, #1 seed.
2014 Hawaii Regional Champions, #1 seed, UL Safety Award
2014 Dallas Regional Champions, #1 seed, Engineering Excellence Award
2014 Northern Lights Regional Champions, #1 seed, Entrepreneurship Award
2013 Championship Dean's List Winner
2013 Utah Regional Champion, #1 seed, KP&B Award, Deans List
2013 Boilermaker Regional Champion, #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
2012 Lone Star Regional Champion, #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
2012 Hawaii Regional Champions #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
  #53   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-03-2015, 08:26
philso philso is offline
Mentor
FRC #2587
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 940
philso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik View Post
If you want to learn more about our processes you can also check out the following resources:

Simbot Seminar Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...o6sOEVMR821tkV

Podcast with the EWCP describing our processes: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=96123

Team Created Resources: http://www.simbotics.org/resources
Thanks again, Karthik. I watched the "Strategic Design" video on several times in December and kept it and others in the series going as "background music" while doing paperwork at the office. I will have to download the podcast for future study.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo View Post
You see, that's the thing: 1114 is successful because they work at it, tenaciously and incessantly. But it's no secret: Not only do they post reams of information for all to see, Karthik has spoken at CMP about their process for as long as I can remember. Most are recorded and available somewhere.

The way I see it, beating 1114 is easy: Just do what they do, only more better.
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 View Post
Even out here in Australia, I heard that 1114 started CADing during week 3, and in previous seasons, normally later. A team that is able to spend that much time dissecting the game is pretty inspiring to say the least.
The one thing elite teams do is not spend all their time trying to make mechanisms work.
We spend a lot of time trying to make our ideas work, thus not being able to afford the time spent to wait that long given our situation and mentor resources.

1114 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure they can figure out where I heard it from.
I have never attended one of 1114's team meetings but analyzing the results of their efforts leads me to believe that their design process a lot like the one used at best run, most progressive and highest performing company I have worked for (15-20% growth, every year without fail, leading to market dominance, with the same headcount). It is interesting to note that that company also shared their "secrets" with other manufacturers on a regular basis.


Quote:
Originally Posted by eddie12390 View Post
The key to winning football games is scoring more points than the other team.
The key to winning football games is understanding how one can ensure that one scores more points than the other team.
  #54   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-03-2015, 21:55
Unsung FIRST Hero
Karthik Karthik is offline
VEX Robotics GDC Chairman
no team
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Rookie Year: 1998
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,346
Karthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond reputeKarthik has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 View Post
Even out here in Australia, I heard that 1114 started CADing during week 3, and in previous seasons, normally later.
This is not true. CAD is often finished by week 3.
__________________
:: Karthik Kanagasabapathy ::
"Enthusiasm is one of the most powerful engines of success. When you do a thing, do it with all your might. Put your whole soul into it. Stamp it with your own personality. Be active, be energetic, be enthusiastic and faithful and you will accomplish your object. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm" -- R.W. Emerson
My TEDx Talk - The Subtle Secrets of Success
Full disclosure: I work for IFI and VEX Robotics, and am the Chairman of the VEX Robotics and VEX IQ Game Design Committees
.
  #55   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-03-2015, 03:31
waialua359's Avatar
waialua359 waialua359 is offline
Mentor
AKA: Glenn
FRC #0359 (Hawaiian Kids)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Waialua, HI
Posts: 3,315
waialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthik View Post
This is not true. CAD is often finished by week 3.
Interesting, and thanks for clarifying Karthik. Awesome!
__________________

2016 Hawaii Regional #1 seed, IDesign, Safety Award
2016 NY Tech Valley Regional Champions, #1 seed, Innovation in Controls Award
2016 Lake Superior Regional Champions, #1 seed, Quality Award, Dean's List
2015 FRC Worlds-Carver Division Champions
2015 Hawaii Regional Champions, #1 seed.
2015 Australia Regional Champions, #2 seed, Engineering Excellence Award
2015 Inland Empire Regional Champions, #1 seed, Industrial Design Award
2014 OZARK Mountain Brawl Champions, #1 seed.
2014 Hawaii Regional Champions, #1 seed, UL Safety Award
2014 Dallas Regional Champions, #1 seed, Engineering Excellence Award
2014 Northern Lights Regional Champions, #1 seed, Entrepreneurship Award
2013 Championship Dean's List Winner
2013 Utah Regional Champion, #1 seed, KP&B Award, Deans List
2013 Boilermaker Regional Champion, #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
2012 Lone Star Regional Champion, #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
2012 Hawaii Regional Champions #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
  #56   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-03-2015, 12:10
David8696's Avatar
David8696 David8696 is offline
I.A.A.R. Lord
AKA: David Bluhm
FRC #2485 (W.A.R.Lords)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 137
David8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud ofDavid8696 has much to be proud of
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot View Post
I remember seeing in one of Ed's spreadsheets that in 2008, 1114 was something like 5.67 standard deviation above the mean. That number is even crazier if you look at the p-value for it.

While there are always so, so dominant, I would have to agree. They are putting up points that seem to be about the limit of what one robot can do on its own, at least without a major change in the dynamics of the alliance. While they will continue to absolutely crush, other top tier teams will likely catch up to some degree.
This year (as of the Ed Law spreadsheet I looked at before making this post, which was post-Week 2; I haven't run the numbers yet for Wk. 3), they were slightly over 8 standard deviations above the mean.
__________________
2015 Inland Empire Regional Innovation in Control Award
2015 IE Quarterfinalists
2014 Highest Unpenalized Score in Aerial Assist (370 points with 51 and 1918)
2014 Archimedes Semifinalists
2014 Las Vegas Regional Champions
2014 NVLV Excellence in Engineering Award sponsored by Delphi
2014 San Diego Regional Finalists
2014 CASD Quality Award sponsored by Motorola
2013 Inland Empire Regional Winners
2013 IE Excellence in Engineering Award sponsored by Delphi
2013 Battle at the Border Winners
2013 BATB Giving Award
2013 BATB Most Valuable Team
2013 San Diego Regional Finalists
2013 SD Creativity Award sponsored by Xerox
  #57   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-03-2015, 13:50
Nathan Streeter's Avatar
Nathan Streeter Nathan Streeter is offline
FIRST Fan(atic)
FRC #1519 (Mechanical MAYHEM)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Merrimack, NH
Posts: 676
Nathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

After a fair number of teams came somewhat close to 1114's 143pt QA from GTRC... making them look not-quite-so-outlier-defining, it's looking like they will have a QA of around 200pt at Waterloo!

Mind = blown
__________________
"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up men to gather wood, divide the work, or give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights." - Muhammad Ali
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." - Leonardo da Vinci


Student: 2006-2010 (#1519)
Mentor: 2011-Present (#1519)


  #58   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-03-2015, 13:52
Cory's Avatar
Cory Cory is offline
Registered User
AKA: Cory McBride
FRC #0254 (The Cheesy Poofs)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 6,821
Cory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Cory
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter View Post
After a fair number of teams came somewhat close to 1114's 143pt QA from GTRC... making them look not-quite-so-outlier-defining, it's looking like they will have a QA of around 200pt at Waterloo!

Mind = blown
Makes sense. that 143 was almost entirely 1114's contribution to the alliance. Now that there are stronger teams, their contribution is the same and their partners are adding to it.
__________________
2001-2004: Team 100
2006-Present: Team 254
  #59   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-03-2015, 14:09
Lil' Lavery Lil' Lavery is offline
TSIMFD
AKA: Sean Lavery
FRC #1712 (DAWGMA)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,642
Lil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Lil' Lavery
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter View Post
After a fair number of teams came somewhat close to 1114's 143pt QA from GTRC... making them look not-quite-so-outlier-defining, it's looking like they will have a QA of around 200pt at Waterloo!

Mind = blown
Their current QA at Waterloo is 215.60
The highest an alliance without 1114 on it has scored is 215 (Dallas F2)
  #60   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-03-2015, 14:12
The_ShamWOW88's Avatar
The_ShamWOW88 The_ShamWOW88 is offline
Senior Mentor/Coach
FRC #0157 (Aztechs)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Marlborough
Posts: 343
The_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to beholdThe_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to beholdThe_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to beholdThe_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to beholdThe_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to beholdThe_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to beholdThe_ShamWOW88 is a splendid one to behold
Re: 1114 the Statistical Outlier

We're all just small fish swimming in the Simbotics fishtank....
__________________
"The best way to predict the future is design it"

"Striving for excellence through inspiration"
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 19:22.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi