2015 Arizona East Regional

[hunterteam3476]

Does anyone know if they are going to show a webcam for practice matches?

[Fauge7]

there was maybe only 3/6 teams for the practice matches, 3019 intends on doing chairman's as well.

[Rangel]

Due to some technical difficulties, videos will not be uploaded real time. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

[plasma_54]

Ok we got it figured out. Check out the live stream here:
http://www.plasmarobotics.org/live/

[The Lucas]

Odd ruling watching the webcast of Q51:
842 ended the match touching a previously scored (>3 secs ago) Coop stack in an attempt to score more landfill totes.
Announcer went nuts about they just ruined 40 pts (not surprising that a game announcer wouldn't know the specifics of Coop scoring)
Surprisingly, they posted the score without any Coop points (not even a set)
After a long delay (seemingly teams were discussing with refs), the announcer said the the refs had decided to count the stack. However, instead of a rules clarification he said it was in the spirit of GP that they counted it.
After another match, he tried to clarify that ruling by implying that they had moved 842 away after the buzzer and since the stack stood for 3 sec that is why it counted (not because coop points are awarded instantly and can't be descored).

Is there still confusion among the refs at Arizona over the nuances of Coop points scoring or is the announcer just not conveying their rulings well?

If it is just announcer confusion, it might be good for the audience of varied rules familiarity to explain how the coop stack points score permanently (3 secs after robots break contact, many refs give a hand count). Perhaps an extreme example, where 842 decided to disassemble the scored Coop stack and place the yellow totes upside-down on top of step containers and still scores 40 pts, would drive home the point.

[cglrcng]

There wasn't enough to really tell on the live stream, sounded like the contact wasn't actually broken when buzzer went off. But, who knows...Only the refs. know for sure, and they met and awarded the coop. score. The points are awarded immed. after the stack is completed, and you break contact w/ the completed stack, and then 3 seconds have elapsed.

Nobody should expect the Announcer to parse the rules of the game like we do. That's what those great Ref's are for. They (Voice game announcers), are hired (volunteer for the endless play-by-play color commentary), for their ceasless voices and high volume of air and low caloric intake! Lol, and he does a good dang job of it too.

Just too bad all that coop. hard work is for naught when it comes to The Actual Playoffs. But it sure can hype those Q Points averages a whole bunch. Now I really see why the picks are all over the board after the top 12 are used up. Took 4 weeks to really see all there is to see.
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Oh, a previously scored coop.. They were absolutely right then...Missed that in your post. And in the stream.

[cglrcng]

Thank You to Plasma Robotics for the Live Stream also! (Only wish is that it was full field all the time is all...But, no complaints, thoroughly enjoy having it live). Thanx again!

[plasma_54]

Originally Posted by cglrcng

Thank You to Plasma Robotics for the Live Stream also! (Only wish is that it was full field all the time is all...But, no complaints, thoroughly enjoy having it live). Thanx again!

You're welcome! And we will have the full field live stream online all day tomorrow. We started the majority of setup this morning, and didn't have time before the the first match to get everything for the full field camera ready.

[Rangel]

Apologize to everyone again about the video recording. Unfortunately, we won't be able to upload videos until Sunday after the regional but they will be the good quality like last year.

[Rangel]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

Odd ruling watching the webcast of Q51:
842 ended the match touching a previously scored (>3 secs ago) Coop stack in an attempt to score more landfill totes.
Announcer went nuts about they just ruined 40 pts (not surprising that a game announcer wouldn't know the specifics of Coop scoring)
Surprisingly, they posted the score without any Coop points (not even a set)
After a long delay (seemingly teams were discussing with refs), the announcer said the the refs had decided to count the stack. However, instead of a rules clarification he said it was in the spirit of GP that they counted it.
After another match, he tried to clarify that ruling by implying that they had moved 842 away after the buzzer and since the stack stood for 3 sec that is why it counted (not because coop points are awarded instantly and can't be descored).

Is there still confusion among the refs at Arizona over the nuances of Coop points scoring or is the announcer just not conveying their rulings well?

If it is just announcer confusion, it might be good for the audience of varied rules familiarity to explain how the coop stack points score permanently (3 secs after robots break contact, many refs give a hand count). Perhaps an extreme example, where 842 decided to disassemble the scored Coop stack and place the yellow totes upside-down on top of step containers and still scores 40 pts, would drive home the point.

It was a confusing moment. I think since coopertition was never descored, everyone thought it could be descored. We of 842 didn't intend to try and descore the co op. Our driver is pretty new with maybe only a week of training so rookie mistakes happened every now and again. We apologize to anyone who thought we might have done it on purpose and to all teams it could have negatively affected. But yes everyone thought for some reason that co-op could be descored since it was the first time it happened at the event. The refs figured it out and corrected their initial mistake. Don Knight, our beloved game announcer tried to explain it the best he could but if their is any confusion, this is the straight answer here.

[MattRain]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

Odd ruling watching the webcast of Q51:
842 ended the match touching a previously scored (>3 secs ago) Coop stack in an attempt to score more landfill totes.
Announcer went nuts about they just ruined 40 pts (not surprising that a game announcer wouldn't know the specifics of Coop scoring)
Surprisingly, they posted the score without any Coop points (not even a set)
After a long delay (seemingly teams were discussing with refs), the announcer said the the refs had decided to count the stack. However, instead of a rules clarification he said it was in the spirit of GP that they counted it.
After another match, he tried to clarify that ruling by implying that they had moved 842 away after the buzzer and since the stack stood for 3 sec that is why it counted (not because coop points are awarded instantly and can't be descored).

Is there still confusion among the refs at Arizona over the nuances of Coop points scoring or is the announcer just not conveying their rulings well?

If it is just announcer confusion, it might be good for the audience of varied rules familiarity to explain how the coop stack points score permanently (3 secs after robots break contact, many refs give a hand count). Perhaps an extreme example, where 842 decided to disassemble the scored Coop stack and place the yellow totes upside-down on top of step containers and still scores 40 pts, would drive home the point.

One of my students, from 1492 went and talked to the head ref, and had it reveresed. In the end, the points were given to us after we specifically pointed out that after 3 seconds, the co-op stack is scored, even if it falls over after those three seconds. In the end, the co-op points were given.

[cglrcng]

No apologies necessary...If it was scored, it was scored...(I was watching but texting the site, and watching, scouting too, so stat sheets were up, and there were 2 matches well before you where 6 points were re-added to the stats sheet for 2 matches, after the live score was completed on the stream (so I was reporting that too in the text), they evidentally reversed 2 penalties, 1 for each match -36 & 37) and it wasn't on camera at the moment of statements or completion of that coop. stack anyway (we only had the Announcer info)....The Ref's saw it and corrected it, that's all that counts. Great Job!

You get it there, it scores, you can knock it down later...onto your side though.

[plasma_54]

Live Streams are up.

HD Full Field

Conventional Video Feed with Scores

[cglrcng]

Can't find the Alliance Pick thread right now so will park this here temporarily. (Will update and move to proper thread later as the event completes). Good luck to all the teams. (Sry, I'm very partial to the number 1 seeded Alliance Go Out Stack Em' big 1538/60/4496!)

AZ East Regional

1 1538 60 4496 **Advanced to Finals
2 4183 3944 4146 **Advanced to Finals
3 1492 2478 5539
4 498 2486 1828
5 3158 842 3019
6 1165 3021 2647
7 1290 3853 3133
8 1700 4160 3785

*Heard no declines (If you know of any please add them below).

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Good luck to all the teams competing. (Sry, I'm very partial to the number 1 seeded Alliance "Go and Out Stack Em' big 1538/60/4496!")


Added: (Highest Q Match Scores*)Red Blue R / B *Beyond 100 points scored an Alliance
AZ East Regional 2015
79 Sat 3/21 - 11:34 AM 1492 1011 5207 3048 1165 60 - 60~155
69 Sat 3/21 - 10:24 AM 3944 5475 1492 5539 842 2375 - 130~54
13 Fri 3/20 - 10:34 AM 1011 2662 1165 3158 1538 3853 - 34~122
47 Fri 3/20 - 3:32 PM 2478 3158 1828 1538 2375 2486 - 83~119
74 Sat 3/21 -10:59 AM 3019 4183 3853 3187 698 2647 - 116~ 54
4 Fri 3/20 - 9:21 AM 1492 3133 1538 1700 2403 2486 - 114~88
78 Sat 3/21 -11:27 AM 698 498 4183 1633 1290 1538 - 99~110
67 Sat 3/21 -10:10 AM 1290 60 1700 4160 3021 3019 - 104~97

*Proven fact...Reaction times slow a bit after eating. 9:00 AM ~11:59 AM hours seem/are the best for most high school students. Most attentative, sleep somewhat rubbed out of some of their eyes, not yet consumed all that food and those sugary beverages from the lunch break yet affecting their still growing bodies. (Lunch Break?...Who got a stinkin' lunch break? That bot needed a fixin' and we were busy strategizing the next few matches!) Heard many times over at every FIRST competition.

[cglrcng]

Playoff Information - Arizona East Regional
Match Start Time Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 Red Final Blue Final
1 Sat 3/21 - 2:30 PM 2486 498 1828 842 3158 3019 68~57
2 Sat 3/21 - 2:37 PM 2478 1492 5539 3021 1165 2647 64~89
3 Sat 3/21 - 2:44 PM 3944 4183 4146 3853 1290 3133 133~34
4 Sat 3/21 - 2:51 PM 60 1538 4496 4160 1700 3785 119~36
5 Sat 3/21 - 2:58 PM 2486 498 1828 3021 1165 2647 71~59
6 Sat 3/21 - 3:05 PM 2478 1492 5539 842 3158 3019 63~80
7 Sat 3/21 - 3:12 PM 3944 4183 4146 4160 1700 3785 140~46
8 Sat 3/21 - 3:19 PM 60 1538 4496 3853 1290 3133 115~65
Semifinals (Alliance QF Points Avg. 1 vs 4, 2 vs 6) 3 matches each, Best 2 Alliances combined points avg. advances Finals.

Alliance Results
Alliance Captain Round 1 Round 2 Backup QF Rank QF Average SF Rank SF Average Finals Wins
1 1538 60 4496 2 117.00 2 115.33 **Advanced to Finals (****Best 2 of three matches wins Regional)
2 4183 3944 4146 1 136.50 1 132.33 **Advanced to Finals

3 1492 2478 5539 6 63.50
4 498 2486 1828 4 69.50 3 71.00
5 3158 842 3019 5 68.50
6 1165 3021 2647 3 74.00 4 65.00
7 1290 3853 3133 7 49.50
8 1700 4160 3785 8 41.00

9 Sat 3/21 - 3:26 PM 60 1538 4496 2486 498 1828 138~99
10 Sat 3/21 - 3:33 PM 3944 4183 4146 3021 1165 2647 116~63
11 Sat 3/21 - 3:40 PM 60 1538 4496 3021 1165 2647 151~70
12 Sat 3/21 - 3:47 PM 3944 4183 4146 2486 498 1828 128~74
13 Sat 3/21 - 3:54 PM 3021 1165 2647 2486 498 1828 62~40
14 Sat 3/21 - 4:01 PM 3944 4183 4146 60 1538 4496 153~57


Finals: Seed Match 1 Match 2 Match 3 (If Necessary)

1 1538 60 4496 2 117.00 2 115.33 146 (Timeout called after match 1).
2 4183 3944 4146 1 136.50 1 132.33 168 New Event HS (Corrected...sry)

After Finals Match 2!

Finals: Seed Match 1 Match 2 Match 3 (If Necessary)

1 1538 60 4496 2 117.00 2 115.33 146 117 **Finalists Congrats. Teams 1538 / 60/ 4496
2 4183 3944 4146 1 136.50 1 132.33 168 132 **Champions (New Event HS-Final Match 1)

Congrat's to Teams 4183 / 3944 / 4146 - AZ East PHX Regional Champions 2015

(Final 1 Match Scores were quickly corrected...Very sry.!)

***(#1 Qualifier "1538 The Holy Cows" was awarded a Personal Segway by The Regional Host, and Director of AZ FIRST! Congrat's to Team 1538!) What a Gracious Host we have AZ.

I'm done.