Reason why NOT to throw litter into other alliance's field?

[roystur44]

Once we figured out we could get a good deal of points by throwing the noodles Willie our human player, the skinny kid with the golden arm, scored 243 points in quals all by himself. He only threw 7 of 10 noodles or less and we cooped 4/10 times.


Give the kids some instructions on when, where and how to throw. Throw those noodles it's all in the elbow and the release.

[alephzer0]

Originally Posted by roystur44

... scored 243 points in quals all by himself...

Is that 24 or 43? serious question because there's a huge difference in a game like RR. And we all know a human player can't score 243 points unless they're Chuck Norris, Dean Kamen, or some combination of the two (which would exceed God himself in holy awesomeness).

[tStano]

Originally Posted by alephzer0

Is that 24 or 43? serious question because there's a huge difference in a game like RR. And we all know a human player can't score 243 points unless they're Chuck Norris, Dean Kamen, or some combination of the two (which would exceed God himself in holy awesomeness).

"In quals" to me means a cumulative total in all qualification matches, where 243 is about 24 points a match.

[hardcopi]

2959's noodler and 2767's noodler had a back and forth battle for all of St Joseph as to who would top out. Our noodler ended up coming in 2nd because of 3 or 4 matches in a row where we were teamed with 2 chute bots. This meant he had to throw over the center wall and his accuracy suffered a little.

Stryke Force ended up averaging 31.16 points per game
Robotarians ended up averaging 28.08 points per game

We had a 2nd HP but ended up replacing him because Noodling was a far more effective scoring mechanism than we expected and "Rigatoni" was just better. Heck both noodlers scored more than a perfect auton every game.

[alephzer0]

Originally Posted by tStano

"In quals" to me means a cumulative total in all qualification matches, where 243 is about 24 points a match.

ok that makes more sense...

[Rman1923]

Speaking as a human player this year, there are many good reasons to throw noodles and not to throw noodles.
Doing a Cost-Benefit Analysis, throwing noodles is a kind of risk that you have to take and it really depends on the bot.

Cost (in order from most worst to least worst scenarios/ consequences):
You Risk...
- Getting the noodle on top of a Scoring Platform on your alliance (leading to problems for the space to stack and your alliances scoring abilities)
- Getting the noodle stuck on your landfill early in the match (resulting in trouble for a landfill bot)
- Getting the noodle stuck on the ground where your own alliance could get stuck on them or damage (which results in a field damage penalty)

Benefit
You Gain
- 4 points for each noodle in the other alliances auto and robot zone
- 2 points for each noodle in your landfill zone at the end of the match
You could
- Limit the amount of moves the other alliance has (by blocking their path)
- Limit the space on their scoring platform (thus in rare cases lowering their points)
- Block a key part of their robot (and stop their ability to score) <-- I did this once
- Noodle snipe and knock over one of their stacks while it's still on their robot<-- saw this once

Although the last two are unlikely, they are possible. it just tells you that the game designers made noodles part of the game just so that it wasn't a completely offensive game (although some could argue that some fat, big robots are defensive bots to even their own alliance partners). Noodles are meant to be thrown and as long as you can consistently get them past the landfill zones, you gucci.

My Strategy
For Co-op/ most qualification matches
- Help other H.P(s) with their totes for the H.P stations (drag stacks) during auton
- Keep refilling these stations until co-op is done
- if there are thirty seconds or less left, don't throw noodles
- otherwise, throw from the H.P station or not at all (i can throw from behind drive teams, but it's hella risky)

For Elim matches or no co-op matches
- Help other H.P(s) with their totes for the H.P stations (drag stacks) during auton
- Keep refilling these stations as needed- unless there is a station not being used
- If there isn't a station being used, take as many noodles needed (usually leave three for bins), throw
- Don't throw if the stations are both being used.

All in all, make sure it's appropriate for you to throw the noodles and make sure you are consistent.
Talk with your drive coach and make sure you understand completely why you were treated that way, definitely have another mentor with you.

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by Rman1923

- 2 points for each noodle in your landfill zone at the end of the match

A LITTER in your alliance's LANDFILL ZONE is only worth 1 point.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Rman1923

- Getting the noodle stuck on the ground where your own alliance could get stuck on them or damage (which results in a field damage penalty)

Eh, not so much on the penalty part. If you're getting penalized for driving over and damaging noodles, you're INTENDING to damage them, at least to the refs' eyes.

- 2 points for each noodle in your landfill zone at the end of the match

See previously noted. I'm also going to point out that it's simply "not completely in the opponents' landfill" for the 4 points (paraphrased from the Manual)