Most in-demand robot type?

[Clayton Summerall]

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[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by ThePancakeMan

If they can cap a stack of six I see them as being valuable picks for an alliance. A bot that can quickly stack totes pared with a bot that just has to wait and cap off the stack seems to be a good alliance in my eyes. Bots that are good at getting tote stacks (from what I have seen) waste a ton of their time chasing cans around the field. If instead both bots can just focus on their own task they have the ability to complete 36/42 point stacks alot faster.

Well, it takes us a while to cap 6-stacks. But we can cap 5-stacks as fast as you can (pun intended) make 'em!

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

Where does everyone stand with robots that can't stack very much, but can very effectively cap stacks?

Useful in the right situations: VERY useful in the right situations.

unfortunately those correct situations are hard to find (1987's conveyor bot is a great example of a good one)

[Kpchem]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

I think that my team's type of robot (can burglar that works from landfill) is the most wanted, but I suppose that being ranked 17th and not being picked at the PNW district might say otherwise

For what it's worth, I was shocked that you guys were not picked. And I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do in St. Louis.

I agree with you though, I think a landfill stacker that has a consistent RC grabber will be the most sought after bot at Worlds. From what I have seen a lot of the top tier stackers are best from the feeder station, and therefore after they pair up they will need a third bot to mine the landfill after snagging a recycling container or two.

[rahulbekal]

According to the rules the higher seed in eliminations may wait for the other alliance to place their robots before placing theirs. This would allow for example a alliance captain who does 3 or 4 capped stacks to have the first pick robot of its alliance to go against the second pick robot on the opposing alliance assuming that robots were picked upon speed of can burglar. Then the second pick would go against the opposing alliances first pick. If both alliances do in fact pick by speed of can burglar then wouldn't the alliancea be even on cans?

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by rahulbekal

According to the rules the higher seed in eliminations may wait for the other alliance to place their robots before placing theirs. This would allow for example a alliance captain who does 3 or 4 capped stacks to have the first pick robot of its alliance to go against the second pick robot on the opposing alliance assuming that robots were picked upon speed of can burglar. Then the second pick would go against the opposing alliances first pick. If both alliances do in fact pick by speed of can burglar then wouldn't the alliancea be even on cans?

By the "higher seed in eliminations", you mean the higher numbered seed. But even that isn't accurate. Whichever Alliance on the field is the blue Alliance gets precedence over the red Alliance. That means whichever Alliance entered that round of advancement as the underdog gets to place their robots second. Teams going into finals are actually incentivised to score the minimum point threshold to advance so they can choose their Canburglar position going into finals.

[MamaSpoldi]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

By the "higher seed in eliminations", you mean the higher numbered seed. But even that isn't accurate. Whichever Alliance on the field is the blue Alliance gets precedence over the red Alliance. That means whichever Alliance entered that round of advancement as the underdog gets to place their robots second. Teams going into finals are actually incentivised to score the minimum point threshold to advance so they can choose their Canburglar position going into finals.

Actually, according to the manual the red and blue sides of the field are based on the alliance seed rather than the qualifying rank/average from the previous playoff level.

5.4.4 Playoff MATCH Format
...
The higher seeded ALLIANCE will always be assigned to the Red side of the FIELD.
...

But I was surprised to see that the lower ranked alliance gets to place their robot last so I double checked that too. I guess I was mis-remembering that rule.

If order placement of ROBOTS matters to either or both ALLIANCES, the ALLIANCE must notify the Head REFEREE during setup for that
MATCH. Upon notification, the Head REFEREE will require ALLIANCES to alternate placement of their ROBOTS, starting with the Red
ALLIANCE.

[rahulbekal]

Originally Posted by MamaSpoldi

Actually, according to the manual the red and blue sides of the field are based on the alliance seed rather than the qualifying rank/average from the previous playoff level.

Alliances are reseeded after each playoff level. And overall with alternating robots placed on the field wouldn't the end result in a trade of cans, unless a second pick can beat a first pick.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by rahulbekal

Alliances are reseeded after each playoff level. And overall with alternating robots placed on the field wouldn't the end result in a trade of cans, unless a second pick can beat a first pick.

Or the Alliance with the better Canburglar plays to the minimum advancement point threshold going into finals and ends up able to place their better Canburglar against the opponents better Canburglar and possibly gets all four.

Recycle Rush is one wacky game.

[MamaSpoldi]

Originally Posted by rahulbekal

Alliances are reseeded after each playoff level. And overall with alternating robots placed on the field wouldn't the end result in a trade of cans, unless a second pick can beat a first pick.

Where does it say that? I don't see it in the rules.

[pntbll1313]

Originally Posted by MamaSpoldi

Where does it say that? I don't see it in the rules.

It is shown in Figure 5-2 of the game manual, although it's not exactly clear. The 8 original alliances are listed as A1, A2... A8. After quarter finals they are advanced in order of average. The highest average score of the quarter finals becomes Q1, followed by Q2, Q3, Q4, which essentially reseeds everyone. The same thing is repeated for finals where they are seeded as S1, and S2.

Section 5.4.4 shows how the rounds will be played and calls out the alliances by their new seed numbers as teams advance.

[RoboAlum]

So what about a landfill bot that is only able to get one RC in auto but has the capability to clear out the left side landfill by making stacks of 2 along the left scoring platform and able to get the totes off the step, would that be a 3rd pick bot. I mean cause I know every great team has the ability to either get 1 or 2 RCs in auto. I mean it does cut the rate another team has to do from 6 to only 4 with an RC.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by MamaSpoldi

Where does it say that? I don't see it in the rules.

Reseeding definitely happens. We went into the finals at Dallas as the red alliance, despite playing against the number one alliance as part of the number two alliance.

[MamaSpoldi]

Thanks for the clarifications. I hadn't noticed that at the events where we competed.

[CR1305Mascotte]

our robot can grab cans off of the step and score them up to 5 tote stacks high and we attended the GTR east, Waterloo, and the North Bay regionals and at every single one we were either picked or in picking position