2015 Texas District Ranks

[Drakxii]

Below is a list of district points each Texas team would have gotten based on their performance at Texas regionals, out of state regionals were not included. Only the first 2 regionals were used determine points. The first list is based on actual data. Second list assumes that a team with only 1 regional would do as well if they had completed in 2 regionals. Tiebreakers were use to determine the final places in a 64 team state champs.

No adjustment to data

Rank	Team #	Points	Qualified?
1	118	143	Yes
2	624	139	Yes
3	2468	110	Yes
4	1296	109	Yes
5	1817	106	Yes
6	3310	90	Yes
7	2848	78	Yes
8	231	77	Yes
9	2881	74	Yes
10	2158	73	Yes
10	4063	73	Yes
12	57	72	Yes
13	1255	66	Yes
14	148	63	Yes
14	3005	63	Yes
16	3103	61	Yes
16	3735	61	Yes
18	1477	60	Yes
18	4587	60	Yes
20	5572	58	Yes
21	4300	55	Yes
22	457	49	Yes
22	5431	49	Yes
24	2587	47	Yes
24	5771	47	Yes
26	4641	44	Yes
26	5417	44	Yes
28	5754	42	Yes
29	418	41	Yes
29	3481	41	Yes
29	3997	41	Yes
29	3999	41	Yes
33	3335	40	Yes
34	4799	39	Yes
35	2582	38	Yes
35	2613	38	Yes
37	3728	36	Yes
38	4364	35	Yes
39	3743	34	Yes
40	3802	33	Yes
41	647	32	Yes
42	3350	31	Yes
43	704	30	Yes
43	4852	30	Yes
45	3043	28	Yes
45	5786	28	Yes
47	3366	26	Yes
47	3626	26	Yes
49	4301	25	Yes
49	4639	25	Yes
49	5411	25	Yes
49	5416	25	Yes
53	1642	23	Yes
53	5469	23	Yes
53	5503	23	Yes
53	5566	23	Yes
57	4610	22	Yes
57	5427	22	Yes
57	5639	22	Yes
57	5681	22	Yes
61	5052	21	Yes
61	5414	21	Yes
61	5739	21	Yes
64	5057	20	Yes
64	5261	20	No
66	4328	19	No
67	4076	18	No
67	4734	18	No
69	5212	17	No
69	5682	17	No
69	5780	17	No
72	2966	16	No
72	5103	16	No
72	5241	16	No
75	3305	15	No
75	3700	15	No
75	4597	15	No
75	5047	15	No
75	5726	15	No
75	5775	15	No
81	2950	14	No
81	3417	14	No
81	3561	14	No
81	3676	14	No
81	4155	14	No
81	4332	14	No
81	5320	14	No
88	2882	13	No
88	5242	13	No
90	2969	12	No
90	3028	12	No
90	3282	12	No
90	3370	12	No
90	4335	12	No
90	4670	12	No
90	4717	12	No
97	2583	11	No
97	3037	11	No
97	3545	11	No
97	3741	11	No
97	4206	11	No
102	499	10	No
102	2585	10	No
102	2897	10	No
102	3240	10	No
102	3679	10	No
102	4219	10	No
102	4295	10	No
102	4354	10	No
102	4694	10	No
102	5769	10	No
112	2789	9	No
112	3035	9	No
112	3355	9	No
112	3834	9	No
112	4412	9	No
112	4696	9	No
112	5070	9	No
119	441	8	No
119	2805	8	No
119	4045	8	No
119	4378	8	No
119	4570	8	No
124	1745	7	No
124	2833	7	No
124	4589	7	No
127	3345	6	No
128	3029	5	No
128	4192	5	No
130	3016	4	No
130	4798	4	No
132	2721	3	No
133	3847	0	No

Adjusted data

Rank	Team #	Points	Qualified?
1	118	143	Yes
2	624	139	Yes
3	148	126	Yes
4	4587	120	Yes
5	2468	110	Yes
6	1296	109	Yes
7	1817	106	Yes
8	2587	94	Yes
9	3310	90	Yes
10	5431	88	Yes
11	5771	84	Yes
12	418	82	Yes
13	2848	78	Yes
13	4799	78	Yes
15	231	77	Yes
16	2582	76	Yes
16	2613	76	Yes
18	2881	74	Yes
18	5754	74	Yes
20	2158	73	Yes
20	4063	73	Yes
22	57	72	Yes
22	3728	72	Yes
24	3743	68	Yes
25	1255	66	Yes
25	3802	66	Yes
27	3005	63	Yes
28	3350	62	Yes
29	3103	61	Yes
29	3735	61	Yes
31	704	60	Yes
31	1477	60	Yes
31	4852	60	Yes
34	5572	58	Yes
35	4300	55	Yes
36	3626	52	Yes
37	4301	50	Yes
37	4639	50	Yes
39	457	49	Yes
40	5786	46	Yes
41	5411	45	Yes
42	4641	44	Yes
42	5417	44	Yes
44	3481	41	Yes
44	3997	41	Yes
44	3999	41	Yes
47	3335	40	Yes
47	5416	40	Yes
49	4328	38	Yes
50	5052	37	Yes
51	5469	36	Yes
51	5503	36	Yes
51	5566	36	Yes
54	4364	35	Yes
54	5057	35	Yes
54	5261	35	Yes
57	5427	34	Yes
57	5639	34	Yes
57	5681	34	Yes
60	647	32	Yes
60	2966	32	Yes
60	5414	32	Yes
60	5739	32	Yes
64	4597	30	Yes
64	3305	30	No
64	3700	30	No
64	5047	30	No
68	2950	28	No
68	3043	28	No
68	3417	28	No
68	3561	28	No
68	3676	28	No
68	4155	28	No
68	4332	28	No
75	5103	27	No
75	5241	27	No
77	2882	26	No
77	3366	26	No
79	2969	24	No
79	3028	24	No
79	3282	24	No
79	3370	24	No
79	4335	24	No
79	4670	24	No
79	4717	24	No
79	5682	24	No
79	5780	24	No
88	1642	23	No
88	5320	23	No
90	2583	22	No
90	3037	22	No
90	3545	22	No
90	3741	22	No
90	4206	22	No
90	4610	22	No
96	5242	21	No
97	499	20	No
97	2585	20	No
97	2897	20	No
97	3240	20	No
97	3679	20	No
97	4219	20	No
97	4295	20	No
97	4354	20	No
97	4694	20	No
97	5726	20	No
97	5775	20	No
108	2789	18	No
108	3035	18	No
108	3355	18	No
108	3834	18	No
108	4076	18	No
108	4412	18	No
108	4696	18	No
108	4734	18	No
116	5212	17	No
117	441	16	No
117	2805	16	No
117	4045	16	No
117	4378	16	No
117	4570	16	No
122	1745	14	No
122	2833	14	No
122	4589	14	No
125	5070	13	No
126	3345	12	No
127	3029	10	No
127	4192	10	No
127	5769	10	No
130	3016	8	No
130	4798	8	No
132	2721	6	No
133	3847	0	No

Finally based on the number of qualifying teams from PWN and FIM, Texas would have 25-27 teams qualify for worlds in a districts. Best I could figure Texas has 30 teams qualified for worlds, but 11 of those are waitlist, 1 is a champ from last year and 1 is from the events at Dallas. So Texas could have had 8-10 more teams at worlds if it was a district.

[donnie99]

Some things you should take into consideration is that in the district model, you won't have the large number of teams at the event like at regionals. Also you'll get a lot more teams winning awards and rookies getting points from awards. I would also assume that dominant teams like 118, 148, and others would go to more than two events and that a lot of points would be removed from the total.

This isn't meant to criticize, just to bring to your attention some of the other factors that can affect the way the points are distributed.

[BBray_T1296]

Originally Posted by donnie99

Some things you should take into consideration is that in the district model, you won't have the large number of teams at the event like at regionals. Also you'll get a lot more teams winning awards and rookies getting points from awards. I would also assume that dominant teams like 118, 148, 111, and others would go to more than two events and that a lot of points would be removed from the total.

This isn't meant to criticize, just to bring to your attention some of the other factors that can affect the way the points are distributed.

Absolutely, but given that would be hard to model this is a reasonable metric. Though it is not fair to compare these points to other districts directly for this very reason.

It is fun to see how the numbers play out.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Going to be honest here, it's really sad being last on that list. Who knew going out of state for both of our events would have these sorts of ramifications.

[Mr V]

Definitely interesting to see. The District System is the future, no two ways about it, the only question is when for a given area so this gives teams a good idea what it would look like. As mentioned because the number of teams per event is lower in the district system those numbers would be skewed a little higher. I think it would mostly effect the middle of the pack teams but overall it would change things radically. The other thing is that for many teams in our area their performance improved at their second event. This will skew things slightly as well, The teams that would have attended their second event earlier would probably do a little better than the teams who attended their first event a little later.

I've found as the second year of the District System has come to a close there is definitely a strategy behind picking your events. Of course for next year we are thinking about switching to the "home district" event selection similar to how FiM handles things to make registration easier. Teams will still be able to opt out of their home district but they will be on their own to register for their two events and at the mercy of the popular events filling up quickly.

I do have a question though as to how you calculated those points since you show a team with 0 points and the minimum number of points that can be earned per event under this season's qualification ranking points system is 4 per event attended.

Yes if you look at the PNW points you will see a team with zero points but that is because they did not attend any events, the lead mentor had family issues to deal with and the other mentor nor any parents were willing to step up and bring the kids and robot, despite the fact that PNW FIRST added them to an already full event so they could play at least once. Needless to say I was rather disappointed. We had another team who's only mentor couldn't make it to their second event but a parent stepped up, jumped through all the school district hoops and got them there. Once they arrived the first thing we did was connect them with a couple of teams with a large mentor base to ensure they had a good event and we certainly would have done the same for the other team.

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by Mr V

I do have a question though as to how you calculated those points since you show a team with 0 points and the minimum number of points that can be earned per event under this season's qualification ranking points system is 4 per event attended.

The OP said that only Texas events are included in this data set, and that only Texas teams were included in the data set. 3847 received 0 points because they are a Texas team that did not attend any Texas events.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Mr V

I do have a question though as to how you calculated those points since you show a team with 0 points and the minimum number of points that can be earned per event under this season's qualification ranking points system is 4 per event attended.

That was what my joke was about. We played in Arkansas and Bayou this year and didn't play in any Texas events, hence the zero points. We had a pretty sub par year even if we had played in Texas events so our score wouldn't have gone up that much. If some one wants to calculate our points from Arkansas and Bayou I wouldn't mind knowing what it was.

[Drakxii]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

Going to be honest here, it's really sad being last on that list. Who knew going out of state for both of our events would have these sorts of ramifications.

I almost forgot to add you guys, till I noticed you are going to championships. Congratulations by the way.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

I almost forgot to add you guys, till I noticed you are going to championships. Congratulations by the way.

No worries, I assumed you had forgotten us and got most of the way through a post before searching for our number and having to start over.

Thanks we are pretty excited.

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by donnie99

Some things you should take into consideration is that in the district model, you won't have the large number of teams at the event like at regionals. Also you'll get a lot more teams winning awards and rookies getting points from awards. I would also assume that dominant teams like 118, 148, and others would go to more than two events and that a lot of points would be removed from the total.

This isn't meant to criticize, just to bring to your attention some of the other factors that can affect the way the points are distributed.

1983 and 1318 chose their Districts really well and were able to do that in the PNW (mostly avoiding other OP teams from this year in the area, while being pretty darned good themselves). However, the possibly even better teams of 4488 and 955 only went to two district events. So I don't think that every great team would have gone to more events.
We did not choose out districs do so well as it turned out, and lost to them multiple times

[Drakxii]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

No worries, I assumed you had forgotten us and got most of the way through a post before searching for our number and having to start over.

Thanks we are pretty excited.

Also 3847 would have had 36 points.

15 from rock city and 21 from bayou

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes

The OP said that only Texas events are included in this data set, and that only Texas teams were included in the data set. 3847 received 0 points because they are a Texas team that did not attend any Texas events.

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

That was what my joke was about. We played in Arkansas and Bayou this year and didn't play in any Texas events, hence the zero points. We had a pretty sub par year even if we had played in Texas events so our score wouldn't have gone up that much. If some one wants to calculate our points from Arkansas and Bayou I wouldn't mind knowing what it was.

My interpretation was that a Texas team that didn't play in Texas wouldn't be on the list.

[Clayton Summerall]

Could someone post a point breakdown chart?

[Mr V]

Here is the algorithm used to determine the Qualification points http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...0Breakdown.pdf

Alliance points are as follows. 17-n where n is either the alliance captain number or the selection number.

There 10 points awarded for each level of the elimination rounds you advance from. So making it to the Semis gives you 10 points, making it to the finals gets you 20 points and overall winner gets 30 points.

Awards are worth 5 points except for Chairman's at 10, RAS and EI at 8.

Rookie teams get a once per season 10 point bonus and 2nd year teams get a once per season 5 point bonus.

Winning Chairman's also qualifies the team and the Robot for DCMP while RAS and EI qualifies the team but not the robot to compete for that award at DCMP. However if the team wins RAS or EI at DCMP the team and the robot earn a slot at CMP.

With the current number of slots at CMP and the resulting increase in spots per District it is possible for a team to earn a spot at CMP w/o winning a single district event or even being selected for the eliminations round at DCMP. There were a couple of teams that did that in the PNW district this year.

[Phalanx]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

Finally based on the number of qualifying teams from PWN and FIM, Texas would have 25-27 teams qualify for worlds in a districts. Best I could figure Texas has 30 teams qualified for worlds, but 11 of those are waitlist, 1 is a champ from last year and 1 is from the events at Dallas. So Texas could have had 8-10 more teams at worlds if it was a district.

Well, since I'm relocating to Texas(Dallas) in the next few weeks and I'm currently on the MAR Board, I can tell you, that championship slots are percentage based. The way it works, is the size of your district in comparison to the others.

So for an example.....(This is only an example, #of teams is not accurate!)

Dallas 50 teams
FIM 200 teams
MAR 120 teams
PNW 80 teams
Total 450 teams

Of the total,
FIM gets 44% allocation of championship slots for districts
MAR gets 26% allocation of championship slots for districts
PNW gets 17% allocation of championship slots for districts
Dallas gets 11% allocation of championship slots for districts

So 11% of 50 is 5.5 teams to go to championships.
This includes the 3 winners, Chairmans, & EI.
So no extra teams based on points would get to attend.

If the Dallas area grows and adds more teams it would get more slots.
Now, if there are extra slots, Dallas teams that win outside events take away from those available slots. So if a team wins in Oklahoma, that slot is now used by a Texas team and is not available to be given out based on points.

I sincerely hope, once I get settled in the area I can get more involved with there and hopeful provide some guidance, experience and insights to the district model.