Future First Championship News

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

and has no effects on teams on the coasts.

I think a 200+ mile increase in travel is an effect.

Originally Posted by MikLast

Spokane to Houston: 2,118 miles
Spokane to Detroit: 2,071 miles

Spokane to St. Louis: 1,805 miles

I thought i heard something about cost saving?

[MattRain]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

The location choices are lnteresting. not sure it's going to save my team any money. Both Houston and Detriot are out of the question in terms of driving distance from SC. I miss having the championship in my backyard.

Now you know how the west coast feels. We haven't had a good location yet. Houston is still a 17 hour drive from Phoenix.

[Connor Mulkey]

Is this the part where we elect Jared or Cory the FRC players union president, and then go into a lockout? The NFL, NBA, and MLB can do it. So if FIRST is truly a sport, why can't we?

[OAXACA]

I have a plan to show FIRST how upset we are: Let's just not go to champs this year. No one show up. You know what? No one just ever go again until we get this issue resolved!!

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by OAXACA

I have a plan to show FIRST how upset we are: Let's just not go to champs this year. No one show up. You know what? No one just ever go again until we get this issue resolved!!

Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. FIRST will have little choice but to declare co-champion alliances, which is apparently what they want to do in two years anyway. (Please don't let it come to this.)

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by cgmv123

Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. (Please don't let it come to this.)

dae 2soon http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...?itok=QfMs5Q96

If primary and secondary contacts of teams are organizing, that could be fun. I should talk to the secondary contact of 422. Wait, that's me... I'm in.

[meg]

Originally Posted by cgmv123

Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. FIRST will have little choice but to declare co-champion alliances, which is apparently what they want to do in two years anyway. (Please don't let it come to this.)

Sadly, there would still only be 3 matches. After all of the tie breakers in a match comes the "random" selector so FMS would just arbitrarily pick a winner. Who wants to see how random their random function actually is?

(I am absolutely not advocating for this. I think we, the community, need to find a way to resolve these issues without interfering with the students learning.)

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by meg

Sadly, there would still only be 3 matches. After all of the tie breakers in a match comes the "random" selector so FMS would just arbitrarily pick a winner. Who wants to see how random their random function actually is?

Originally Posted by Game Manual Section 5.4.3

There are no tie breaker rules awarding additional MATCH points during Final MATCHES. If after two (2) MATCHES the ALLIANCES each have a win, a third MATCH will be played. Additional matches will be played if needed.

No tiebreakers this year. In previous years, a match tied after tiebreakers was considered a 'true' tie and replayed.

(I am absolutely not advocating for this. I think we, the community, need to find a way to resolve these issues without interfering with the students learning.)

This. I will be very disappointed if the Einstein matches are anything but the best matches of the FRC season.

[bduddy]

Originally Posted by cgmv123

Better plan: The two finalist alliances on Einstein delete all code from their robots (replacing it with a placeholder delay function). All matches would end in a tie and be replayed until a winner is declared. Since no robots would ever move, there will never be a winner of one match, let alone two different winners of two matches. FIRST will have little choice but to declare co-champion alliances, which is apparently what they want to do in two years anyway. (Please don't let it come to this.)

Actually, it would be a perfect preview of the new system: two "winning" alliances who never get to interact with each other.

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by Connor Mulkey

and then go into a lockout?

Employers (the leagues) lockout employees (the players). Employees go on strike.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by cgmv123

Employers (the leagues) lockout employees (the players). Employees go on strike.

We're not employees, we are customers. We all give FIRST a giant pile of money each year.

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

We're not employees, we are customers. We all give FIRST a giant pile of money each year.

Roughly 3k teams * 5k entry fee, not including the 6k rookie fee (is that still a thing? not sure) = $15,000,000
15 million per year, and rising
Where does it all go?
Nobody knows

[pastelpony]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

Roughly 3k teams * 5k entry fee, not including the 6k rookie fee (is that still a thing? not sure) = $15,000,000
Where does it all go?
Nobody knows

That's not including DCMP/CMP registration fees either.

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by pastelpony

That's not including DCMP/CMP registration fees either.

Or 2nd regionals, and in rare cases 3rd, ect.

[Knufire]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

Roughly 3k teams * 5k entry fee, not including the 6k rookie fee (is that still a thing? not sure) = $15,000,000
15 million per year, and rising
Where does it all go?
Nobody knows

http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...Financials.pdf