Future First Championship News

[XenObliv]

There are many things wrong with this approach, meanwhile the number of things that are right seem either insignificant or feel nonexistent. It was said that "We would like more teams to have the Championship experience." Well by being in FRC for now five years I define the "Champs experience" by being able to see the amazingly design robots from all across the World. It's been said that "It's about the journey not the destination." -Carolee Dean I always have viewed the Inspiration aspect as the build season, not the competition. If we don't find a winner, you defeat the purpose of a Competition. The name no longer fits the game. FIRST should just change the name to FIRST ROBOTICS LEAGUE (FRL). By not crowning a World Champion the reason OF the World Championship is now brought into question.

[jlmcmchl]

Originally Posted by XenObliv

If we don't find a winner, you defeat the purpose of a Competition.

Frank specifically noted in the new blog post that they will be looking into how to handle having two winning alliances from the championships.

Originally Posted by Frank

I’m personally very interested in hearing your ideas about how we may be able to arrange for final matches between the winners of FIRST Championship Houston and FIRST Championship St. Louis.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by jlmcmchl

Frank specifically noted in the new blog post that they will be looking into how to handle having two winning alliances from the championships.

That means they dont have one in the plan they are putting forth for the future of Champs. So, as of now, we wouldnt have a single World Champion Alliance.

[the_godfaubel]

So I've been thinking about ways to potentially make the proposed system work. The one that makes the most sense in my mind goes like this:

1. Hold the two Championships and go about the things that Championships do (except maybe changing the name to something like Super Regional).
2. Each Championship will have FOUR divisions.
3. Each division finalist will be invited to a Grand Championships to crown a true Champion. Thus EIGHT alliances from each "Super Regional" (SR) and a total of 64 teams invited.
4. The division winners will advance to Einstein at each SR to determine a Champion of the event.
5. Each of the 16 alliances advancing to the Grand Championships will play 15 matches (One against every other competing alliance) to determine seeding for the Final Tournament. The winners of the two SR will be awarded the top 2 seeds and number 1 will be determined by the 15 matches.
6. Conduct the Tournament as normally run to determine a true Champion.

I believe this could work, but I think it would work best in an EAST/WEST system where the Grand Championships would be held somewhere in the Midwest.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by the_godfaubel

So I've been thinking about ways to potentially make the proposed system work. The one that makes the most sense in my mind goes like this:

1. Hold the two Championships and go about the things that Championships do (except maybe changing the name to something like Super Regional).
2. Each Championship will have FOUR divisions.
3. Each division finalist will be invited to a Grand Championships to crown a true Champion. Thus EIGHT alliances from each "Super Regional" (SR) and a total of 64 teams invited.
4. The division winners will advance to Einstein at each SR to determine a Champion of the event.
5. Each of the 16 alliances advancing to the Grand Championships will play 15 matches (One against every other competing alliance) to determine seeding for the Final Tournament. The winners of the two SR will be awarded the top 2 seeds and number 1 will be determined by the 15 matches.
6. Conduct the Tournament as normally run to determine a true Champion.

I believe this could work, but I think it would work best in an EAST/WEST system where the Grand Championships would be held somewhere in the Midwest.

Unfortunately, any idea that requires another event between the two championships (to suppose, determine a single winning alliance) is tough to do. Someone has to pay for the travel, lodging, meals, etc, and if it's the teams, that's not good, some may even decline to go due to costs, then what do you do? Call the whole thing off? Bring in a substitute team?

Not to mention, as it stands, the Detroit Championships will be the weekend before AP exams, which really sucks for all those students getting home on Sunday morning, all exhausted. The finals event would have to be way later, or else they can cause students to miss the exams, among other scheduling conflicts involving missing school in general and for mentors, missing work.

[the_godfaubel]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Unfortunately, any idea that requires another event between the two championships (to suppose, determine a single winning alliance) is tough to do. Someone has to pay for the travel, lodging, meals, etc, and if it's the teams, that's not good, some may even decline to go due to costs, then what do you do? Call the whole thing off? Bring in a substitute team?

Not to mention, as it stands, the Detroit Championships will be the weekend before AP exams, which really sucks for all those students getting home on Sunday morning, all exhausted. The finals event would have to be way later, or else they can cause students to miss the exams, among other scheduling conflicts involving missing school in general and for mentors, missing work.

Ah, I forgot to include that FIRST should pay the travel expenses for all teams attending. Another thing, since they want many teams to attend Championships, they could reduce the cost of going to the first Championship from $5000 to $2500 or even be free since the teams that are going to Championships earned their way there and since FIRST is, of course, a non-profit entity. Depending on team size, that money could be used to feed the students.

As for the AP exam conflict, I believe that this Grand Championship would have to be held during the middle of May, or maybe even June to avoid graduation conflicts. Each Super Regional also should be held on the same weekend.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by the_godfaubel

or maybe even June to avoid graduation conflicts.

Some schools get out in june, maybe not a ton, but there are a good few.